[Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

[Tom Ochang]

Noah, you have spoken well.

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 19:01 Noah, <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:


> Elad

>

> The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been

> invoked, its a call to both you and Roland to calm down.

>

> The reasons I am calling your back and forth exchange crap is because am

> on other lists where I have seen you both go on each other just like you

> were attempting to do here and its not new to some of us.

>

> Let us have a civilized discourse for we are a polite community.

>

> That is all am saying.

>

> Noah

>

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 20:47 Elad Cohen, <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:

>

>> Noah,

>>

>> All I'm doing is to respond to an organized defamation campaign against

>> me.

>>

>> I take it as an offence when you reference my response as "crap" after my

>> blood was spilled here in community-discuss mailing list for almost a year,

>> without you raising your voice when my blood was spilled here for such long

>> time. To the point that I needed to start a legal case against AfriNIC

>> because my blood was spilled here.

>>

>> Kind Regards,

>> Elad

>> ------------------------------

>> *From:* Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>

>> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 7:36 PM

>> *To:* Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>

>> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

>> AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks

>> holders in AfriNIC

>>

>> Ali

>>

>> This two have been going on each other for a while now and for those on

>> other lists like NANOG etc we have read enough of their crap esp when they

>> go personal and its just that we didnt expect to see the same crap on the

>> AFRINIC lists.

>>

>> So its good that AFRINIC invoked the CoC which can come in handy.

>>

>> Better they stick to issues if they both want further engagement with

>> this polite and hospitable community.

>>

>> Noah

>>

>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 15:58 Ali Hussein, <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

>>

>> Great to see Afrinic finally taking action to curb this behavior.

>>

>> *Ali Hussein*

>> *Digital Transformation *

>>

>> +254 0713 601113

>>

>> Twitter: @AliHKassim

>>

>> Skype: abu-jomo

>>

>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

>>

>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a

>> habit."  ~ Aristotle

>>

>>

>> Sent from my iPad

>>

>> On 30 Oct 2020, at 2:33 PM, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> 

>> Dear Mr Cohen,

>>

>> AFRINIC in its role to enforce the code of conduct on the community

>> mailing list is issuing you your first written warning for the offensive

>> behavior displayed against another member of the community list, namely Mr.

>> Ronlad F. Guilmette on the thread titled “Notice to all the legacy

>> netblocks holders in AfriNIC”

>>

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html

>>

>> You went on to continue with such behaviour after the AFRINIC

>> communications team reminded the list of the code of conduct by sending out

>> the following email

>>

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html

>>

>> In light of above, your behaviour has been deemed as offensive,

>> discriminatory, and intimidating as it included personal attacks.This is in

>> direct violation with Sections II and III of AFRINIC’s Code of Conduct.

>> https://afrinic.net/code

>>

>> You are hereby reminded to abide by the AFRINIC Code of Conduct  when

>> interacting with the AFRINIC community at all times.

>>

>> For more information please refer to the following blog.

>> https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct

>>

>> Please refrain from acting inappropriately on AFRINIC mailing lists again.

>>

>> AFRINIC Communications Team

>>

>> …………………………………………………………

>>

>> Cher Monsieur Cohen,

>>

>> AFRINIC dans le cadre de son action pour faire respecter le code de

>> conduite sur la liste de diffusion communautaire vous adresse un premier

>> avertissement écrit pour le comportement offensant  à l'encontre d'un autre

>> membre de la liste communautaire, à savoir M. Ronlad F. Guilmette sur le

>> fil intitulé "Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC".

>>

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html

>>

>> Vous avez continué avec ce comportement même après que l'équipe de

>> communication AFRINIC ait fait un rappel sur le code de conduite en

>> envoyant le courriel suivant:

>>

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html

>>

>> À la lumière de ce qui précède, votre comportement a été perçu comme

>> étant  offensant, discriminatoire et intimidant car il inclut des attaques

>> personnelles. Ceci est en violation directe avec les sections II et III du

>> code de conduite de l'AFRINIC : https://afrinic.net/code

>>

>> Il vous est rappelé de respecter le code de conduite AFRINIC  lorsque

>> vous interagissez avec la communauté AFRINIC à tout moment.

>>

>> Pour plus d'informations, veuillez vous référer au blog suivant.

>> https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct

>>

>> Veuillez vous abstenir d'agir à nouveau de manière inappropriée sur les

>> listes de diffusion AFRINIC.

>>

>> L’Equipe de Communications d’AFRINIC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 27 Oct 2020, at 17:57, Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:

>>

>> "I have other things to attend to." - like cleaning pores?

>> ------------------------------

>> *From:* Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:03 PM

>> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks

>> holders in AfriNIC

>>

>> In message <995ECA50-E1DA-49EA-ACC0-54EDA4091D1A at afrinic.net>,

>> AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>

>> >The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system is a successful model of

>> >industry self-regulation...

>>

>> I would be happy to debate the truth or falsehood of that proposition

>> with you at some appropriate moment.  (Not just now.  I have other

>> things to attend to.)

>>

>> It is likely true that the RIR system has served, like the Pax Americana

>> of the late 20th century and the Pax Romana before it, to prevent all-out

>> violent confrontations between otherwise opposing factions.  But this

>> is not the only possible definition of the word "successful", and there

>> have been glaring and evident problems... in the AFRINIC region, in the

>> ARIN region, in the RIPE region, and elsewhere.  To simply and

>> unilaterally

>> declare that "This model of governance is good.  End of discusssion." is

>> not entirely persuasive in the present context.

>>

>> And although the industry may view this model as having been fantastically

>> successful at keeping various governments largely or entirely at bay and

>> largely or entirely out of the Internet regulation business (which even

>> I would agree is a profoundly Good Thing) the industry, such as it is,

>> is going to have to come to terms someday with that fact that secrecy

>> and the shrouding of every detail underneath a gigantic blanket of

>> NDAs neither promotes good governance nor is compatible with the ever

>> increasing dependency of society as a whole on this utility we call the

>> Internet, a utility whose underlying business arrangement have, by design,

>> been keep almost entirely opaque to the outside world.

>>

>> The present pandemic has only increased the dependency of society on the

>> Internet, and thus it has also increased the need for more transparency

>> into these private business arragements, in the public interest.

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>> rfg

>>

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