[Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 466, Issue 1
Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
Wed May 1 12:24:23 UTC 2019
Hello Folks,
My personal random thoughts about involving policymaker which some of us
might be experiencing some of the issues raised below in our countries
while being faced with reality.
1. We will never get the big guy who has the final say into the room in
cases like this for engagement. Even if they attend, they will not pay
attention and spend few minutes in the room given speeches laced with a
political to-do list which might never be achieved. Or in some cases, they
get bored and sleep off or go shopping.
2. The Associates of the big guy who finally attends and pay attention
sends a report to the boss and will only just be "submitting reports" and
if the report does not support the agenda of the big guy, he changes the
representative who is the subordinate and policy implementation or
recommendation/education is stalled.
3. The academics will also write policy briefs but it is so academic in
nature that policymakers might even trash it for no reason and see it as
academic excercise. Until the academia starts putting these publications in
simple executive summary of one or two pages with illustrations, the big
guy is so busy trying to run a country.
4. Digital Right advocates will tweet and tag the policymakers but he is
not the one managing the account and the social media account manager might
not report back the bad news to the big guy in government house.
5. At the level of UN and AU, conventions and proclamations will be
declared but countries will not sign for fears unknown to the world.
Perhaps, the countries that do not sign are using digital suppression as a
tool for electoral control and victory.
At the end of the day, it is a bad political system and if you look at most
countries CyberSecurity Laws, there is always a clause that gives the state
actors powers under the guise of "NATIONAL SECURITY" and we need to address
the issues from within and outside the continent by getting good political
leaders to champion the case for an open, free and resilient internet which
will benefit our digital economy.
However, Africans problems are best solved by Africans
Caleb Ogundele
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> 1. AFRINIC Board of Directors Announces Departure of AFRINIC CEO
> (AFRINIC Communication)
> 2. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 3. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 4. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Dewole Ajao)
> 5. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE)
> 6. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 7. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 8. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE)
> 9. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 10. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Dewole Ajao)
> 11. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
> 12. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Dewole Ajao)
> 13. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Noah)
> 14. Re?:Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Yazid AKANHO)
> 15. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (S. Moonesamy)
> 16. Re: Internet shutdown in Africa (Ish Sookun)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:34:56 +0400
> From: AFRINIC Communication <comm-announce at afrinic.net>
> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board of Directors Announces
> Departure of AFRINIC CEO
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> Ebene, Mauritius, 30 April 2019. - The AFRINIC Board of Directors would
> like to announce that the Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Alan Barrett, will
> be leaving AFRINIC with effect from 26th July 2019. The AFRINIC Board of
> Directors sincerely thank Mr. Alan Barrett for his selfless dedication,
> commitment and outstanding contribution to the global and African Internet
> community.
>
> ?I have taken the difficult decision to leave AFRINIC, after four years as
> CEO. I have been both proud to serve the African community, and humble to
> realise how small my own contributions have been. Any success that AFRINIC
> has enjoyed has been the result of a joint effort by many people, including
> the previous CEO, our dedicated and talented staff, Board members past and
> present, our vibrant community, and volunteers who serve on various
> committees.
>
> Much work remains to be done to make Internet access affordable, open, and
> available throughout Africa. I firmly believe in AFRINIC?s vision to be the
> leading force in growing the Internet for Africa's sustainable development,
> and I have every confidence that the Board and staff will continue to work
> towards that goal,? says Mr. Alan Barrett
>
> Mr. Alan Barrett leaves AFRINIC in a good position for future growth and
> we wish Mr. Alan Barrett the very best in his future endeavours.
>
> The AFRINIC Board of Directors will launch a CEO search process that will
> culminate in the appointment of a new CEO as soon as possible.
>
> In the meantime, all measures will be taken to ensure a smooth transition
> including business continuity.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian D. Bope, PhD
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board
>
> ?????????????.
>
> Ebene, Maurice, 30 avril 2019.- Le conseil d'administration d?AFRINIC
> tient ? vous informer que M. Alan Barrett, directeur g?n?ral, a soumis sa
> d?mission et quittera son poste ? compter du 26 juillet 2019. Le conseil
> d'administration d'AFRINIC remercie sinc?rement M. Alan Barrett pour son
> d?vouement, son engagement et sa contribution exceptionnelle ? notre
> communaut? Internet.
>
> ?J'ai pris la difficile d?cision de quitter AFRINIC apr?s quatre ans en
> tant que DG. J'ai ?t? ? la fois fi?re de servir humblement la communaut?
> africaine et apporter mes contributions au d?veloppement de la compagnie..
> Les succ?s d'AFRINIC r?sultent des efforts conjugu?s de nombreuses
> personnes, notamment l?ancien DG, notre personnel d?vou? et talentueux, les
> membres du conseil d?administration pass?s et pr?sents, notre communaut?
> dynamique et les b?n?voles qui si?gent ? divers comit?s.
>
> Il reste encore beaucoup ? faire pour rendre l'acc?s ? Internet abordable,
> ouvert et disponible dans toute l'Afrique. Je crois fermement en la vision
> d?AFRINIC de devenir la principale force de la croissance d?Internet pour
> le d?veloppement durable de l?Afrique, et je suis confiant que le conseil
> d'administration et le personnel continueront ? ?uvrer ? la r?alisation de
> cet objectif. ", a d?clar? M. Alan Barrett.
>
> M. Alan Barrett laisse AFRINIC dans une position favorable pour la
> croissance future et nous souhaitons ? M. Alan Barrett le meilleur des
> succ?s dans ses projets futurs.
>
> Le conseil d?administration d?AFRINIC lancera un processus de recrutement
> qui aboutira ? la nomination d?un nouveau DG d?s que possible.
>
>
> Entre-temps, toutes les mesures seront prises pour assurer une transition
> efficace, y compris la continuit? des activit?s d'AFRINIC.
>
>
> Meilleures salutations,
>
> Christian D. Bope, PhD
> Pr?sident du conseil d'administration d?AFRINIC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:42:34 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <f8a48131-41dd-babb-e7c3-b0c6304aa47f at lasentinelle.mu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Abdulkarim,
>
> On 4/29/19 5:22 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is
> > always a back door. We need to make sure? we continue to fight to make
> > the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases like this.?
>
> I did not understand your comment about "current internet structure is
> there is always a back door". Could you please clarify what you mean?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:47:04 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: Iyedi Goma <iyedigoma at gmail.com>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <c066bc22-5da0-47c8-c7ec-ac2bee359efc at lasentinelle.mu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> I recall from lengthy discussions when the idea of an "anti internet
> shutdown policy" was tossed here, it was argued that AFRINIC might not
> be the right platform to raise the issue but instead perhaps it could be
> raised through the Internet Governance Forum.
>
> That being said, what do you think AFRINIC could do to against internet
> shutdowns in Africa?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
> On 4/29/19 7:56 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> > Hello
> > Yes you are really right, we need to talk about we need to find the way
> > to solve such case.
> > Specifically by bringing our silence?
> >
> > Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 ? 14:22, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> > <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a
> ?crit?:
> >
> > Hi,
> > It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more about this
> > and tell them this is very wrong.?
> > But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is
> > always a back door. We need to make sure? we continue to fight to
> > make the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases
> > like this.?
> > Regards?
> >
> > Abdulkarim Oloyede PhD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 14:06 Iyedi Goma, <iyedigoma at gmail.com
> > <mailto:iyedigoma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> > Now Benin gov learn how to block? the internet? and the counter
> > measure (VPNs and Co)
> > Africa governments are always ready to learn bad habits as if
> > it's a curse.
> > what do you think about digital future of africa????
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Serge-parfait Goma
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:22:37 +0100
> From: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> To: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>, Iyedi Goma
> <iyedigoma at gmail.com>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <3b54256d-950c-0e8f-476b-dd100615ec7f at forum.org.ng>
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>
> Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek
> out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet
> is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them
> formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the
> Internet.
>
> Easier said than done, yeah. Worth a try though.
>
> Dewole.
>
> On 4/30/2019 4:47 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > Hi Serge,
> >
> > I recall from lengthy discussions when the idea of an "anti internet
> > shutdown policy" was tossed here, it was argued that AFRINIC might not
> > be the right platform to raise the issue but instead perhaps it could be
> > raised through the Internet Governance Forum.
> >
> > That being said, what do you think AFRINIC could do to against internet
> > shutdowns in Africa?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ish Sookun
> >
> > On 4/29/19 7:56 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> >> Hello
> >> Yes you are really right, we need to talk about we need to find the way
> >> to solve such case.
> >> Specifically by bringing our silence
> >>
> >> Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 ? 14:22, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> >> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a
> ?crit?:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more about this
> >> and tell them this is very wrong.
> >> But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is
> >> always a back door. We need to make sure? we continue to fight to
> >> make the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases
> >> like this.
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Abdulkarim Oloyede PhD.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 14:06 Iyedi Goma, <iyedigoma at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:iyedigoma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear all
> >>
> >> Now Benin gov learn how to block? the internet? and the counter
> >> measure (VPNs and Co)
> >> Africa governments are always ready to learn bad habits as if
> >> it's a curse.
> >> what do you think about digital future of africa????
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> Serge-parfait Goma
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:40:25 +0100
> From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> To: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID:
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>
> Dear Ish,
> I totally agree with you that it is an internet governance issue and not
> directly related to AFRINIC. However, there is a kind of interconnection
> between all the players in the internet ecosystem which include AFRINIC and
> I think that was the reason Serge-parfait raised it here. Just as a form of
> awareness and seeking ways of moving forward.
> Then my point about the "back door".
> What I mean is that what we know about the internet today is a richly
> interconnected network without a single killer switch. The government can
> only speak to ISP's within their domain to shut down the internet within a
> country but there are other ways of bypassing that because of the
> interconnections. This can be bypassing local connections or even via the
> intranet of companies and so on. There are ways around it but not ideal. I
> mentioned that just so that we know that there is no single killer switch
> in a govermnet shutdown situation.
> Thanks
> AK
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:23 PM Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>
> > Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek
> > out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet
> > is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them
> > formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Easier said than done, yeah. Worth a try though.
> >
> > Dewole.
> >
> > On 4/30/2019 4:47 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > > Hi Serge,
> > >
> > > I recall from lengthy discussions when the idea of an "anti internet
> > > shutdown policy" was tossed here, it was argued that AFRINIC might not
> > > be the right platform to raise the issue but instead perhaps it could
> be
> > > raised through the Internet Governance Forum.
> > >
> > > That being said, what do you think AFRINIC could do to against internet
> > > shutdowns in Africa?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ish Sookun
> > >
> > > On 4/29/19 7:56 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> > >> Hello
> > >> Yes you are really right, we need to talk about we need to find the
> way
> > >> to solve such case.
> > >> Specifically by bringing our silence
> > >>
> > >> Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 ? 14:22, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> > >> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a
> > ?crit :
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more about
> this
> > >> and tell them this is very wrong.
> > >> But the good thing about the current internet structure is there
> is
> > >> always a back door. We need to make sure we continue to fight to
> > >> make the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent
> cases
> > >> like this.
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Abdulkarim Oloyede PhD.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 14:06 Iyedi Goma, <iyedigoma at gmail.com
> > >> <mailto:iyedigoma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear all
> > >>
> > >> Now Benin gov learn how to block the internet and the
> counter
> > >> measure (VPNs and Co)
> > >> Africa governments are always ready to learn bad habits as if
> > >> it's a curse.
> > >> what do you think about digital future of africa????
> > >>
> > >> best regards
> > >>
> > >> Serge-parfait Goma
> > >>
> > >>
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> *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng,
> A+*
> *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of
> Ilorin, Nigeria*
> *Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG),
> **International
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:32:14 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
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> Hi Abdulkarim,
>
> On 4/30/19 9:40 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> >
> > Then my point about the "back door".
> > What I mean is that what we know about the internet today is a richly
> > interconnected network without a single killer switch.? The government
> > can only speak to ISP's within their domain to shut down the internet
> > within a country but there are other ways of bypassing that because of
> > the interconnections. This can be bypassing local connections or even
> > via the intranet of companies and so on. There are ways around it but
> > not ideal. I mentioned that just so that we know that there is no single
> > killer switch in a govermnet shutdown situation.??
> >
>
> Thank you for the clarification.
>
> However, I look at it in a simple way. If I am an ordinary internet user
> and my ISP cuts my internet access following a government order, then I
> do not see an alternative that will allow me to access websites. For
> example, if there is an internet shutdown in Mauritius I will not be
> able to access www.afrinic.net.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:49:05 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <e3d5ae97-124b-a610-c234-f2594fe11de7 at lasentinelle.mu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Dewole,
>
> On 4/30/19 8:22 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> > Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek
> > out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet
> > is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them
> > formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the
> > Internet.
> >
>
> The ICT regulator in Mauritius has installed a National Internet
> Filtering System [1] to block internet content. It can be used to block
> Facebook. Should Facebook be blocked if that is a concern of policy makers?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
> [1] https://www.icta.mu/internet.html#int3
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:48:28 +0100
> From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> To: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID:
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> Dear Ish,
> Agreed but am not refereeing to ordinary users here. I was talking about
> getting desperate news out in a shutdown situation.
> AK
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 7:31 PM Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Abdulkarim,
> >
> > On 4/30/19 9:40 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > >
> > > Then my point about the "back door".
> > > What I mean is that what we know about the internet today is a richly
> > > interconnected network without a single killer switch. The government
> > > can only speak to ISP's within their domain to shut down the internet
> > > within a country but there are other ways of bypassing that because of
> > > the interconnections. This can be bypassing local connections or even
> > > via the intranet of companies and so on. There are ways around it but
> > > not ideal. I mentioned that just so that we know that there is no
> single
> > > killer switch in a govermnet shutdown situation.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the clarification.
> >
> > However, I look at it in a simple way. If I am an ordinary internet user
> > and my ISP cuts my internet access following a government order, then I
> > do not see an alternative that will allow me to access websites. For
> > example, if there is an internet shutdown in Mauritius I will not be
> > able to access www.afrinic.net.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ish Sookun
> >
>
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> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:53:40 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
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> Hi Abdulkarim,
>
> On 4/30/19 10:48 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > Agreed but am not refereeing to ordinary users here. I was talking about
> > getting desperate news out in a shutdown situation.
>
> If there is a nationwide internet shutdown, how would someone use a
> company intranet to get information out of the country?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:25:54 +0100
> From: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> To: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <0e3906be-9f31-7a72-4ef5-f9e9a0b17b48 at forum.org.ng>
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> I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have
> a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them
> and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time
> to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started
> blocking stuff.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dewole.
>
> On 4/30/2019 7:49 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > Hi Dewole,
> >
> > On 4/30/19 8:22 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> >> Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek
> >> out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet
> >> is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them
> >> formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the
> >> Internet.
> >>
> > The ICT regulator in Mauritius has installed a National Internet
> > Filtering System [1] to block internet content. It can be used to block
> > Facebook. Should Facebook be blocked if that is a concern of policy
> makers?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ish Sookun
> >
> > [1] https://www.icta.mu/internet.html#int3
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 00:01:04 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <808ff273-4972-b401-06a6-00e2eeb46379 at lasentinelle.mu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Dewole,
>
> On 4/30/19 11:25 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> > I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have
> > a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them
> > and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time
> > to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started
> > blocking stuff.
>
> I believe that fits the IGF.
>
> It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with
> decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within
> AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will
> of people.
>
> Benin is part of the West African Internet Governance Forum (WAIGF).
> There is no mention of the internet shutdown that happened in Benin at
> https://www.waigf.org/news. Shouldn't the regional IGFs write in support
> of internet users of Benin?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:20:22 +0100
> From: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> To: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <04f67cfd-7037-a722-0ef2-5a2b7544f3c6 at forum.org.ng>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I was of the opinion that this was a community discussion and we were
> each speaking in our capacity as (potentially) affected users - not from
> an AFRINIC perspective; AFRINIC does not determine the engagement in our
> countries anyway.
>
> You are right, though - the local Internet Governance initiative such as
> Benin IGF (if it exists in a multi- stakeholder fashion) would be a good
> platform for engaging with and educating the policy makers.
>
> Dewole.
>
> On 4/30/2019 9:01 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > Hi Dewole,
> >
> > On 4/30/19 11:25 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> >> I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have
> >> a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them
> >> and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time
> >> to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started
> >> blocking stuff.
> > I believe that fits the IGF.
> >
> > It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with
> > decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within
> > AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will
> > of people.
> >
> > Benin is part of the West African Internet Governance Forum (WAIGF).
> > There is no mention of the internet shutdown that happened in Benin at
> > https://www.waigf.org/news. Shouldn't the regional IGFs write in support
> > of internet users of Benin?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ish Sookun
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 23:33:28 +0300
> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Folks
>
> Policies and IGF are all good until political power is threatened. In such
> a situation, politics will always win the day in some countries where the
> administrative state see it fit to temp shut down your beloved Internet
> after all its feasible in term of saving the day.
>
> As long as the administrative state believes it does not have the mechanism
> to control how information is spread, It will definately curtain the means
> of information dissamination.
>
> Internet shutdowns as temporaly as they have become across various
> countries globally... we ought to accept that they are politically
> motivated as most incubents believe that control of the political narrative
> especially during national elections would be of great advantage to those
> in power and they would stop at nothing to shutdown the big I.
>
> In some poweful countries, some part of the big I is censored and continues
> to be censored.
>
> Its just what it is. Power vs the big I. You choose.
>
> Thinking out loud.
>
> Noah
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019, 22:27 Dewole Ajao, <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have
> > a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them
> > and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time
> > to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started
> > blocking stuff.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dewole.
> >
> > On 4/30/2019 7:49 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > > Hi Dewole,
> > >
> > > On 4/30/19 8:22 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> > >> Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek
> > >> out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted
> Internet
> > >> is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them
> > >> formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down
> the
> > >> Internet.
> > >>
> > > The ICT regulator in Mauritius has installed a National Internet
> > > Filtering System [1] to block internet content. It can be used to block
> > > Facebook. Should Facebook be blocked if that is a concern of policy
> > makers?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ish Sookun
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.icta.mu/internet.html#int3
> >
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> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Yazid AKANHO <yakanho2 at yahoo.fr>
> To: "dewole at forum.org.ng" <dewole at forum.org.ng>, Ish Sookun
> <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> Cc: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Re?:Re: Internet shutdown in Africa
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> Dears,?Yes Benin IGF exists as well as ISOC Benin and other organizations
> like Igbanet and ABC-PN fighting to have a safe, stable, secured, available
> Internet in Benin.?6 months back, the same government introduced tax on
> social media and Benin Internet community (mainly composed of the
> organizations i listed above) fighted a lot via #TaxePasMesMo campaign and
> finally the government resigned and engaged the dialogue with the
> community.It is unbelievable that just 6 months later, the same government
> shutdown completely the Internet a full day. Sometime, you just ask
> yourself in which language you should talk to the government so that they
> understand. Any voice, any idea wyerever it comes from is welcome to build
> a strategy to make them understand.
>
>
> Envoy? depuis Yahoo?Mail pour Android
>
> Le mar., avr. 30, 2019 ? 21:21, Dewole Ajao<dewole at forum.org.ng> a
> ?crit : I was of the opinion that this was a community discussion and we
> were
> each speaking in our capacity as (potentially) affected users - not from
> an AFRINIC perspective; AFRINIC does not determine the engagement in our
> countries anyway.
>
> You are right, though - the local Internet Governance initiative such as
> Benin IGF (if it exists in a multi- stakeholder fashion) would be a good
> platform for engaging with and educating the policy makers.
> Dewole.
>
> On 4/30/2019 9:01 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > Hi Dewole,
> >
> > On 4/30/19 11:25 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> >> I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have
> >> a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them
> >> and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time
> >> to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started
> >> blocking stuff.
> > I believe that fits the IGF.
> >
> > It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with
> > decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within
> > AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will
> > of people.
> >
> > Benin is part of the West African Internet Governance Forum (WAIGF).
> > There is no mention of the internet shutdown that happened in Benin at
> > https://www.waigf.org/news. Shouldn't the regional IGFs write in support
> > of internet users of Benin?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ish Sookun
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:18:32 -0700
> From: "S. Moonesamy" <sm+af at afrinic.net>
> To: Ish Sookun
> <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>,community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
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> Dear Ish,
> At 01:01 PM 30-04-2019, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with
> >decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within
> >AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will
> >of people.
>
> Once in a while I attend events where there are
> discussions about topics which may be of interest
> to Resource Members or the community. The last
> event was about cybersecurity. There was a
> question from a representative of the World Bank
> about Information Technology governance in
> companies. From what I recall, I gave a short
> response. A well-established company would
> assess the risks of connectivity issues if it
> relies on Internet-related services for its day-to-day operations.
>
> In general, "Internet shutdowns" are about social
> network shutdowns. That could fit under the
> topic of digital rights [1]. In my opinion,
> digital rights are not directly related to what
> Afrinic Ltd does. I did not understand the
> following: "take things beyond the mailing
> list". Is it about Afrinic Ltd talking with
> government agencies about, for example, digital rights?
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> 1. Droits num?riques
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 10:54:04 +0400
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: "S. Moonesamy" <sm+af at afrinic.net>, community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
> Message-ID: <aab87b80-b6a4-3bb6-3739-174c8062d329 at lasentinelle.mu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi SM,
>
> On 5/1/19 8:18 AM, S. Moonesamy wrote:
> > In general, "Internet shutdowns" are about social network shutdowns.?
> > That could fit under the topic of digital rights [1].? In my opinion,
> > digital rights are not directly related to what Afrinic Ltd does.? I did
> > not understand the following: "take things beyond the mailing list".? Is
> > it about Afrinic Ltd talking with government agencies about, for
> > example, digital rights?
>
> Blocking access to social networks only would be regarded as a partial
> internet shutdown. On the other hand a full internet shutdown would have
> socio-economic ramifications. Resource members will be affected.
>
> Yes, AFRINIC could facilitate talks between government agencies, local
> groups and other stakeholders about digital rights.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
>
>
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