[Community-Discuss] Reform Nomcomm - was Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat on AFRINIC Governance Committee

Sat Jun 15 10:34:52 UTC 2019

Walu,

It is hard to make cross-RIR comparisons in this case because the idea of “regional seats” is unique to AfriNIC and exists in no other RIR.

Every other RIR has a board made up entirely of those elected from the community at large. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, AfriNIC is the only RIR which requires territorial residence for its directors.

Owen

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 8:23 AM, John Walu <walu.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz <mailto:geier at geier.ne.tz>> wrote:
> >>>The NomCom report shared with the invitation includes _some_ info.
> 
> ..cant parse. Where is this report? What does it mean shared 'with the invitation'?
> 
> Either way 11 applicants for 5 continent-wide seats may mean we are not making Afrinic board seats attractive.  It would be nice to compare experiences in terms of applicant numbers in other RIRs or ICANN in general.  If the numbers are the same, then we conclude it is the nature of the business ;-)
> 
> walu
> 
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:55 PM Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz <mailto:geier at geier.ne.tz>> wrote:
> Hi Walu and all,
> 
> The NomCom report shared with the invitation includes _some_ info.
> - It received 11 nominations.
> - one was withdrawn
> - 8 are remaining
> 
> that means to me that 2 were "filtered".
> 
> I requested them to disclose how many nominations *for each seat* were
> received.
> When this gets answered we will see for which seats there was filtering.
> 
> I agree we shouldn't have this black box.
> I agree NomCom should explain why nominees were "kicked out".
> I believe the members voting should be provided with the information
> that is now used to reject nominees and then be allowed to make their
> own choice.
> 
> Regards,
> Frank
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2019 09:34, John Walu wrote:
> > I believe the deeper question is WHY is there an increasingly smaller
> > candidate slate of those volunteering to serve on Afrinic board, year in
> > year out.
> > 
> > Two possible answers:
> > A) Good candidates are avoiding the perceived 'challenging' board
> > /management /community relationships that continue to persist. So nomcom
> > hands are tied and cannot manufacture candidates.
> > 
> > OR
> > B) There are actually many good candidates applying  BUT the Nomcom
> > 'Black-box' processes is kicking them out and reducing them to 1 or 2
> > nominees.
> > 
> > To drill down to the correct answer, I think the Nomcom process needs to
> > be reformed. 
> > 
> > I still do not understand the benefit of having a black box process in
> > the nomination committee where the community has no clue about how many
> > candidates applied, how many got knocked out and why. IF national
> > Presidential election systems are so open about this, why is that it has
> > to remain hidden for Afrinic?
> > 
> > And I say this as someone who has once served on Nomcomm as well as
> > someone who has once been rejected by some previous Nomcomm (I want to
> > believe it is within my right to share personal information/experience
> > as this is not covered under NDA, but I stand to be corrected ;-)
> > 
> > At a minimum, we should request that as Nomcom publishes the candidate
> > slate, they should also show a tally (without the names) of how many
> > candidates applied, how many got kicked out, why they were kicked out
> > and how many successfully went thro. 
> > 
> > I believe this information can shed some light on the deeper question
> > above of whether indeed we have fewer applicants or our black-box
> > nommcom process is simply kicking them out in order to eventually
> > present a single candidate.
> > 
> > walu.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:47 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>
> > <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, 15:15 Sander Steffann, <sander at steffann.nl <mailto:sander at steffann.nl>
> >     <mailto:sander at steffann.nl <mailto:sander at steffann.nl>>> wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi Noah,
> > 
> >         > Read the bylaws especially section 13.8
> > 
> >         When there is no candidate then the current director will be
> >         re-appointed.
> > 
> > 
> >     You missed the word "eligible" candidate! 
> > 
> >     Nomcom has since slated eligible candidate and candidates with
> >     different slates having one or more candidate and candidates nominated.
> > 
> >         Appointed != Elected.
> > 
> > 
> >     There are upcoming elections scheduled where we members will be
> >     casting votes for various candidates.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         >> No election -> no Directors
> >         >
> >         > Board can appoint.
> > 
> >         True. My statement was exaggerated. My apologies.
> > 
> >         An appointed board does not have a mandate from the members
> >         though, and for a bottom-up community ending up with more
> >         appointed than elected board members would not be good.
> > 
> > 
> >     We have elections coming up soon and we intend to elect otherwise
> >     the board would have to appoint or reappoint as its within its powers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Cheers,
> >         Sander
> > 
> > 
> >     Noah
> > 
> > 
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