[Community-Discuss] Gratitude

[Benjamin Ledoh]

Hi Alan and Mc Tim,

Sander, consciously or unconsciously, made fallacious statements in his
endeavor to praise the outgoing CEO and his supporter, and disgrace those
who want to stick to principles and procedures. This divisive tactic is
evil and especially when it is coming from someone like Sander, a former
Co-Chair in RIPE community who had displayed high sense of rationality in
his community. You (Alan and Mc Tim) know, it is allowed to show that there
is a division in AFRINIC Community *if and only if* it truly exists and
also based on facts not on lies. You (Alan and Mc Tim) know that there is
no trace of micromanagement in the minutes. Your tutorial and explanations
on “micromanagement” are not needed because I would not argue with Sander.

Sander mention transparency in his email and I agree that we have to praise
for transparency. I invite you to join me to praise the Board for
publishing the minutes gave room to Sander to err. For both of you (Alan
and Mc Tim), keep in mind that when you are defending evil, you will end up
being evil.

Cheers


Benjiloh

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:46 AM Alan Levin <alanlevin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Benjamin,
>
> When any board needs to formalise exactly how a CEO is to share a specific
> public document, that is micromanagement!
>
> I would go so far as to say it's so bad because:
> - when a CEO needs to formalise exactly how a Marketing Director is to
> share a specific public document, that is micromanagement!
> - when a Marketing Director needs to formalise exactly how a SEO
> consultant is to share a specific public document, that is micromanagement!
>
> Sincerely
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 12:56, Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sander,
>>
>> It seems to me that you have not got my points well. I will rephrase them
>> differently and give my last comments.
>>
>> Based on the minutes of the board, you sent an email accusing the board
>> of micromanagement. When I asked you to point it out in the minutes, you
>> directed me to textbook. I don't know whether the micromanagement you are
>> referring to the AFRINIC Community is in textbook.  When you claim that
>> “all responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away”, I asked
>> you to prove it. Since you cannot prove it, you disappeared.  Facing your
>> inability to substantiate your own claims, you are telling me that “it is
>> more appropriate to stay silent”.
>>
>> I thank you for this option and I ask you to extend it to the entire
>> community since it will help us a lot in this community. In Yoruba land we
>> say that “when you don’t have fact to argue, wisdom suggests you keep
>> quite.”  Your silence would not give room to disruptive guys who want at
>> all cost the opportunity to create confusion and crises in this community
>> with the aims to destroy AFRINIC organization and community.
>>
>> Abide with your suggestion, it will be Great service to our community.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Benjiloh
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:21 PM Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Benjamin,
>>>
>>> > When I asked you to prove your hasty generalization “all
>>> responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away”, you
>>> disappeared, and no answer never come. It stands now there is no way you
>>> can justify because the “micromanagement” you are accusing the board to
>>> indulge in is not true.
>>>
>>> No, if you can't see any micromanagement in the minutes then there is
>>> nothing I can say to convince you, so I just gave up trying. Anything I say
>>> would not help this discussion any further, so it is more appropriate to
>>> stay silent.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sander
>>>
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