[Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment

Sun Mar 25 12:42:34 UTC 2018

Owen,

On this one I agree with Marcus and Badru.

Just to add also that occassional advice which mean good from community
folks from outside the region is welcome but with caustion. I have seen
folks send emails with rather sarcastic wikipedia references which are
pointless.

But different folks based on culture handle things differently.

Take forexample USA, it would take a leader who has been accused of
forexample any form of harrasment less than 24hrs to step aside with
dignity. People dont just wake up in the morning and accuse others if there
is no some serious reason and sometimes you find someone has been
undergoing some sort of abuse for a while and they reach a point where they
cant deal anymore and they voice out.

Anyways, what we are trying to say is, guests should not play kind,
especially when there are wrong doings which may affect culture and people
from a specific region.

Noah

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 1:17 p.m. Marcus K. G. Adomey, <madomey at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> >Owen
>
>
>
> At this particular stage of the life of AfriNIC when we the community is
> managing a crisis, communication becomes a sensitive tool anyone should use
> cautiously. Common sense (the best shared thing in the world – Descartes,
> 1637) requires that we should be circumspect with what we post on our
> mailing list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other
> way.
>
>
>
> A question was posed on the board on the rational for setting the amount
> of $ 15000.00 for the investigation and the Common sense requires that the
> board responds to this question. You are not a board member and you jump in
> to answer and the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the
> question. Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call “rich experience”
> you have? Whichever way, please we don’t need it. Keep it to yourself
> because it is disgusting.
>
>
>
> More vaporware!!!
>
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> Marcus
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:07:39 AM
> *To:* Owen DeLong
> *Cc:* General
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment
>
> Owen
>
> I like your attempt to get scientific here.  Up until a certain email was
> publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no
> opinions on this issue.
>
> We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the
> matter at hand.
>
> In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board
> member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff
> which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO.
>
> On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit
> for office.   Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced
> that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that.
>
> Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question.
>
>
> We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us
> that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong.
>
> I’m sorry that sickens me.
>
> Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and
> we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it’s time we
> move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish
> you well.
>
>
> Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as
> “mob mentality” is insulting to say the least.
>
> I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in
> Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept.  And that
> continues to puzzle me to this day.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through
> an election.  The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community.
>
>
> Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the
> result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The
> community is a much larger body.
>
> The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer
> investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough
> for community to feel he is no longer suitable.
>
>
> Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are
> saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented
> showing that this position is held by a majority of the community.
>
> The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs
> to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the
> individuals involved.
>
>
> At least there is one true statement in your email.
>
> The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his
> issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare.
>
>
> Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling
> for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process.
>
> However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made
> earlier.
>
>
> This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the
> discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to
> use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no
> prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed
> with reasonable deliberate haste.
>
> We need to move
>
>
> What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a
> lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to
> investigate or establish the true facts of the situation?
>
> I’m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I
> do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward.
>
> I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with
> due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being
> expressed on this and other lists.
>
> Owen
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo <olutayo at olutayo.ng> wrote:
>
> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some
> people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice,
> and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process.
>
> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let
> follow due process, the independent committee should it work.
>
> Regards,
> Sunday Olutayo
> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, <wayne at domains.co.za> wrote:
>
>
> Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the
> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a
> decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72
> hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of
> the issues.
>
> Thanks Wayne....
>
> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion
> but i could be wrong.
>
> Mr.Masilela Lucky
> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye
> Mr.Bope Christian
> Mr.Ilunga Serge
> Mr.Ojedeji Seun
> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy
> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio)
>
> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of
> April for an investigation to start.
>
> +++1
>
>
>
> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together
> quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to
> resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner.
>
>
> +++1
>
> Noah
>
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