[Community-Discuss] Raising concerns

Fri Jun 29 14:52:02 UTC 2018

Andrew,

Le mer. 27 juin 2018 02:42, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
a écrit :

> Arnaud,
>
> To be frank - there are many lists that Afrinic is discussed on - NAP is
> one of them - because it contains a few hundred afrinic members - but it is
> not an “afrinic discussion list” in any way shape or form - it is an
> internet exchange list for members of a particular exchange - just happens
> that sometimes Afrinic matters come up there.
>
> Quite frankly - I see it on many lists - people would rather discuss on
> other lists where they are not confronted with the vitriol and accusations
> and at times even blatant racism that occurs on this list - and they are
> free to do so.
>
> This list is not exactly the most... welcoming to people who come here -
> the moment anyone posts a disagreement it gets personal and is full of ad
> hominem attacks and personalization, so, if we don’t want segments of this
> community taking their issues off list - then this list needs to be a lot
> less hostile.
>

I know there are many lists where things are discussed including Afrinic
matters, but my point was  CEO committing for actions from topic discussed
out of afrinic  official discussion fora. Is CEO doing same on all lists ?

And thanks for raising issues with what have been happening on lists:
Participants behaviors and discussions  tempo, personal attacks, etc...

It is obvious that  you play a big role in the disorders  and  disfunction
affecting all Afrinic public lists, chasing people away,  affecting the
community  reputation. The solution can not be in  sub- communities and
parallel  lists.
I expect a better behavior from someone working for a respectable African
 operator and who has served on the Afrinic BoD.

"Be the change you want to see" ?

> And yes - I still oppose the review policy - because I still believe that
> the RSA covers what it needs to - and we do not need anything more - nor do
> I see a point in anything more.  Especially something as what I still
> believe is wide open to attack.
>
> The specifics of the case I referred to in your quoted email were about
> someone who was openly and publically spamming people with an offer in
> contravention of adopter policy and hence the RSA - we don’t need the
> review policy to deal with such
>

If we were to follow  you, this community would not have adopted the "lame
delegation " proposal, which is a review.
RSA does not describe  how review and investigation  should be conducted,
nor does the current  allocation policies. ..
Time is coming for this community to adopt what your colleague called
"sensible  policies". It is the mandatory way  to the Afrinic future.

Arnaud

> Liquid Telecommunications - Group Head Of IP Strategy
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:01:45 PM
> *To:* Andrew Alston
> *Cc:* Alan Barrett; community-discuss at afrinic.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Raising concerns
>
> Dear Community,
>
> 2018-06-22 8:45 GMT+00:00 Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>:
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Sorry to say this - but - these questions - need to be asked and answered
>> in front of the community - this community has a right to the answers.
>>
>> Since you asked me for succinct questions though - I will ask them
>> straight
>>
>> a.) What is the board doing about the fact that the organisation cannot -
>> by the bylaws - elect directors - and without elected directors cannot get
>> quorum to host another AGMM - which is a ....
>> i.) When will we be getting a response to the outcome of the
>> investigation promised to myself and the members of the NAP list as regards
>> a particular sale of IP space
>>
>
>
> Hmmmm. Since when did the NAP list became a forum to discuss AFRINIC
> matters that the CEO commits to?  A special list for a certain community?
> Double standards?
>
> Is he asking for investigation on allocated address space while he is
> strongly opposed to the review policy proposal?
>
> As discussed over and over, we are reaching a stage where review of
> resources usage and investigation when required has become critical to
> AFRINIC operation
>
>
>
>>
>> I can keep going - but I think that is sufficient for now.
>>
>> Alan - if asking questions is attacking people - then there is a problem
>> - because if questions are asked by the members and there are no problems
>> with the answers - there is nothing to feel attacked about.  If however -
>> you are saying that members must ask their  questions in the dark and out
>> of sight of this community - you are again asking me to stay away from the
>> precepts of transparency - and I cannot - and will not - do that.
>> .....
>>
>> The questions will continue - if not on the community list - then on the
>> member list - if not on the members list - on other forums - I do not mind
>> which - but - until AFRINIC is prepared to be the transparent organisation
>> it claims to be - I will continue to ask the public questions and stand by
>> every single one of them.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
> Arnaud
>
>
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