[Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Thu Jun 21 20:38:18 UTC 2018

William,

My only comment on this is as follows – when someone posts on the members list – they are posting as a member – if they represent multiple members – it could be any of those members.  When someone posts on the community list – they have the choice in each post to represent themselves or a corporate entity – or multiple corporate entities – and that can differ from time to time – day to day – post to post.

If I state that I am writing on behalf of a particular entity – then I am writing on behalf of that entity – and I assure you that I do not do that without being duly authorised.  If I state that I am writing on behalf of myself and expressing my own opinions – then it is as stated.  If I do not state either – you are free to ask on a post by post basis or assume that I am writing on my own behalf (or make any other assumptions you wish to make)

That is my final word on this subject – unless the rules change to explicitly state that everyone posts their associations and who they are representing.

Thanks

Andrew

From: William Ametozion <wametozion at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 21 June 2018 at 22:40
To: Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com>
Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Hi Andrew,

Just a reminder. Yesterday, Janvier asked you the following question:

“Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage yourself or your company?”

You have not answered it yet and I am sure it is an oversight. Could you please provide us with the answer? It is a simple and straight forward question and it should not take you so long to provide the answer.

Thanks

William A.
On Jun 19, 2018 22:51, "Janvier NGNOULAYE" <jnoulaye at gmail.com<mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Andrew,
I wonder about your motives that seem inappropriate to me this last couple of months, in such that, with all respect due to you, I wanted to tell you to stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go rent your resources to another RIR.  Afrinic will not died.
Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage yourself or your company? Because it is inacceptable that a single member micromanages Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to the Afrinic body.
I'm really shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO should have never replied to it. I am not the one who have to ask you to wait for the  financial annual report or the auditor's report at the AGMM to ask these multiple questions.
I think you're crossed over the line at this point, do you forget the principle that the CEO reports to the Board, and that the Board reports to members at an AGMM? Where do you come from with the questions on the figures in the mid-year budget and particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou event?
I also see that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to the point of asking ICANN if it is sponsoring the Cotonou event, this is again a lack of respect to the ICANN body.
For the sake of the African Internet community, for the sake of the Afrinic members, and this is my recommandation to the Board:  I am requesting  the Board to put you under discipline because of these attitudes that tarnish the image of Afrinic and its members.

Warm regards,
Janvier NGNOULAYE
Afrinic Member
Former Afrinic Board member
Yaounde - Cameroon

Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :
Just wanted to add – did you think I would be embarrassed by you leaking that? Or attempt to deny it?

Dude – come on – get real – MANY people on that list that are on that group – if I was ashamed of that post – well – I wouldn’t have posted it where half this list could already see it – as plain as day.

I do find it very interesting that you choose to take stuff off a group that has strict rules about external posts – and post it here for your own purposes.

☺ And I can guess who gave it to you – because its not hard to correlate members of this list to members of that group – but *shrug* who cares – its as good as a public post – I don’t say things that I won’t stand by – I stand by that one

Andrew

From: William Ametozion <wametozion at gmail.com<mailto:wametozion at gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at 23:19
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
Cc: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>" <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>, AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Dear Community,

I came across a screenshot of a post (attached) by a member of AFRINIC Community on ICANN Facebook page and would like to share with you.

Yes we may not have attained all our goals but the truth must be told that we have made progress .

No matter how bitter one is, history of Internet in Africa cannot be changed based on someone’s whims and caprices. Indeed pioneers deserve commendation and not unbridled hatred as shown. Africa deserves encouragement rather than this reckless attempt to destroy AFRINIC.

I cannot wait to be in Cotonou. Let us all including friends of Africa join in the Celebration of IG 1998 - 2018 on July 6, 2018.

Thank you.

On 19 June 2018 at 13:21, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
Alan,

Does this include the cocktail sponsorship – if it does – can we calculate as follows based on previous trips to work out the approximate cost of attendance:

Average cost per person in flights (based on previous financials) - $2049.50
Sponsorship $3000
Accommodation while there since it’s a 2 day event - $500 odd dollars per person (conservatively)
5 total people

Cost to the membership for this – roughly $16k?

I just wanna be sure I have the numbers straight here

Andrew

From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>]
Sent: 19 June 2018 16:15
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

> On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> So AfriNIC Board / Management – can you please disclose EXACTLY what was sponsored for this event – how much – who is going – and what are the members paying towards an event that is not even listed on your events calendar? I’d like to know how much of our money is being squandered.

AFRINIC is not organising the event in Cotonou on 6 July 2018, but was invited to participate. AFRINIC is contributing $3000 in sponsorship, and will cover the costs for attendance by the CEO, one or two other staff, and the Chair and Vice Chair of the Board.

Regards,

Alan Barrett
CEO, AFRINIC

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