[Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

[Andrew Alston]

Hey,

If we can have a transfer policy that is bi-directional – a lot of these issues would go away.  The community in the past has refused to pass such – for varying reasons – maybe it’s time to rethink this?

Andrew


From: Dabu Sifiso [mailto:dabu.sifiso at yandex.com]
Sent: 21 June 2018 14:09
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; board at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting


Mr Elitcha,


20.06.2018, 12:28, "Komi Elitcha" <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com<mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>>:
> Ali,
>
> I am also for the right of every participant in this community not to be muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation.
>
> We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members list[1] that resolves the issue of a distracting participant.  No reason why the rulebook cannot be thrown at a member who drags the reputation of the organisation in the mud in the name of defending its ideals.
You literally asked for the board to create special rules just so they could be specifically broken by one person broken and then close a membership of a specific LIR by direct action of the board.

Although such rules could only be applied to the closed mailing-list for members, the public mailing list can be accessed by anyone without any membership or resources affiliation.

> I would also be interested in answers to Janvier's question as the member in question happens to be Liquid Telecom.


Do you mean the part asking him to move to another RIR?
I guess the board would need to pass a special resolution allowing liquid telecom and why not any other AFRINIC resource member to be freed from having to use AFRINIC and allowed moved to another RIR with their current resources.

It would indeed probably be a good solution and avoid closing the memberships of unhappy members, just pass on those members to some other RIR outside Africa.


> [1] https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct<https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct>
>
> Le 20/06/2018 à 15:38, Ali Hussein a écrit :
>> Komi
>>
>> All I can say is this:
>>
>> I may not like what Andrew says but I will defend to the death his right to say it ~ Paraphrased from a quote by the French philosopher, Voltaire.
>>
>> These sort of threats only work in a police state and have no place in a community based organization like Afrinic.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> AHK & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20 Jun 2018, at 4:33 PM, Komi Elitcha <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com<mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hello AFRINIC BoD,
>>
>> Based on what has been going on for a while over the years, with liquid telecom an afrinic ressources member engaging in many actions which affect afrinic reputation and also expose the organization to legal risks, I want to encourage The board to propose a code of conduct for afrinic members.
>>
>> Failure to comply to this code of conduct by liquid telecom or any other  members, board shall invoke section 8.2(iii) of the bylaws and terminate their membership
>>
>> 8.2 The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon:
>> (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board;
>
> Le mar. 19 juin 2018 22:52, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com<mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>> Dear Andrew,
>> I wonder about your motives that seem inappropriate to me this last couple of months, in such that, with all respect due to you, I wanted to tell you to stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go rent your resources to another RIR.  Afrinic will not died.
>> Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage yourself or your company? Because it is inacceptable that a single member micromanages Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to the Afrinic body.
>> I'm really shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO should have never replied to it. I am not the one who have to ask you to wait for the  financial annual report or the auditor's report at the AGMM to ask these multiple questions.
>> I think you're crossed over the line at this point, do you forget the principle that the CEO reports to the Board, and that the Board reports to members at an AGMM? Where do you come from with the questions on the figures in the mid-year budget and particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou event?
>> I also see that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to the point of asking ICANN if it is sponsoring the Cotonou event, this is again a lack of respect to the ICANN body.
>> For the sake of the African Internet community, for the sake of the Afrinic members, and this is my recommandation to the Board:  I am requesting  the Board to put you under discipline because of these attitudes that tarnish the image of Afrinic and its members.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Janvier NGNOULAYE
>> Afrinic Member
>> Former Afrinic Board member
>> Yaounde - Cameroon

Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :
> Just wanted to add – did you think I would be embarrassed by you leaking that? Or attempt to deny it?
>
> Dude – come on – get real – MANY people on that list that are on that group – if I was ashamed of that post – well – I wouldn’t have posted it where half this list could already see it – as plain as day.
>
> I do find it very interesting that you choose to take stuff off a group that has strict rules about external posts – and post it here for your own purposes.
>
> ☺ And I can guess who gave it to you – because its not hard to correlate members of this list to members of that group – but *shrug* who cares – its as good as a public post – I don’t say things that I won’t stand by – I stand by that one
>
> Andrew
>
> From: William Ametozion <wametozion at gmail.com<mailto:wametozion at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at 23:19
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> Cc: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>" <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>, AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>
> Dear Community,
>
> I came across a screenshot of a post (attached) by a member of AFRINIC Community on ICANN Facebook page and would like to share with you.
>
> Yes we may not have attained all our goals but the truth must be told that we have made progress .
>
> No matter how bitter one is, history of Internet in Africa cannot be changed based on someone’s whims and caprices. Indeed pioneers deserve commendation and not unbridled hatred as shown. Africa deserves encouragement rather than this reckless attempt to destroy AFRINIC.
>
> I cannot wait to be in Cotonou. Let us all including friends of Africa join in the Celebration of IG 1998 - 2018 on July 6, 2018.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On 19 June 2018 at 13:21, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> Does this include the cocktail sponsorship – if it does – can we calculate as follows based on previous trips to work out the approximate cost of attendance:
>>
>> Average cost per person in flights (based on previous financials) - $2049.50
>>
>> Sponsorship $3000
>>
>> Accommodation while there since it’s a 2 day event - $500 odd dollars per person (conservatively)
>>
>> 5 total people
>>
>> Cost to the membership for this – roughly $16k?
>>
>> I just wanna be sure I have the numbers straight here
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
>> Sent: 19 June 2018 16:15
>> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So AfriNIC Board / Management – can you please disclose EXACTLY what was sponsored for this event – how much – who is going – and what are the members paying towards an event that is not even listed on your events calendar? I’d like to know how much of our money is being squandered.
>>
>> AFRINIC is not organising the event in Cotonou on 6 July 2018, but was invited to participate. AFRINIC is contributing $3000 in sponsorship, and will cover the costs for attendance by the CEO, one or two other staff, and the Chair and Vice Chair of the Board.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Barrett
>> CEO, AFRINIC
>>
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