[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Fri Jun 16 23:20:42 UTC 2017

Hi McTim

:-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100.  A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community. 

> On 16 Jun 2017, at 11:13 pm, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Badru,
> 
> To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
> not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
> parties.
> 
> For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal.  For the purpose
> of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
> paying folks have greater standing.
> 
> just my 2 bob,
> 
> McTim
> 
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Badru Ntege
> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>> Chair
>> 
>> With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a
>> bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve
>> the community.
>> 
>> For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO
>> who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and
>> chair.
>> 
>> CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to
>> respond directly to comments.
>> 
>> In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he
>> so wishes.
>> 
>> Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some
>> and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what
>> they think is a pertinent issue.
>> 
>> Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
>> ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.
>> 
>> On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which
>> turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.
>> 
>> I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a
>> nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your
>> email above and the questions paused
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Badru,
>> 
>> Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.
>> 
>> I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
>> Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
>> border on operational issues.
>> 
>> It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help
>> me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:
>> 
>> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
>> so?
>> 
>> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
>> appropriate person?
>> 
>> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
>> time?.
>> 
>> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
>> "can someone respond?"
>> 
>> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions
>> on the mailing lists?
>> 
>> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or
>> urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>> 
>> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
>> answers from the CEO and relay?
>> 
>> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>> 
>> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Chair
>> 
>> A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.
>> 
>> I’m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
>> not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
>> the members worry if we have all hands on deck.
>> 
>> Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
>> respond to community and Member queries??
>> 
>> I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
>> acknowledgement on issues raised.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>> Hi Chair,
>>> 
>>> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
>>> means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>>> 
>>> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
>>> re-allocation/assignment?
>>> 
>>> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
>>> find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>> 
>> Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
>> expect me to answer it.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> Yes certainly....
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
>> recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
>> are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
>> quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
>> possible re-use.
>> 
>> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
>> may be found in raw data published at
>> <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
>> closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
>> 
>> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list
>> 
>> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
>> many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?
>> 
>> I also checked the
>> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you
>> recommended.
>> 
>> Are all those 2411 INR marked as “reserved”, resources from recovery?
>> 
>> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space
>> and everything else?
>> 
>> Noah
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