[Community-Discuss] [kictanet] Liquid Telecom warns of looming address shortage - Daily Nation

Mon Oct 10 11:42:30 UTC 2016

Dear Andrew,

Many thanks for the feedback and for sharing the policy which i
believe is a good starting point. Maybe we need a couple of town hall
meetings with the business/corporate communicate  and policy makers to
break the resistance.

Best Regards

On 10/10/16, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Hi Barrack,
>
> We are also running native v6 on our FTTH network and continuing to deploy.
> We plan to also shortly enable our public wifi networks in Kenya and are
> working towards this (couple of vendor related issues that are being worked
> on in this regard)
>
> We are in a position to roll out IPv6 to any corporate customer and IP
> transit customer who wishes it as well, and have some IPT customers actively
> using IPv6 - Basically the entire Liquid network, irrespective of which
> country we operate in, is fully V6 ready.
>
> The reason the percentage point indicators in the stats I've given haven't
> moved that much though is because convincing corporate customers to take
> IPv6 is slightly more challenging, and our consumer rollouts in Kenya are
> still relatively new (and as a result not yet large enough to seriously move
> the penetration figures for the entire country).   We are however working
> with our customers to continue to increase the penetration percentages and
> get the v6 adopted by the customers.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 October 2016 14:29
> To: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [kictanet] Liquid Telecom warns of looming
> address shortage - Daily Nation
>
> Dear Walu et al?
>
> Liquid has been on Zimbabwean Media over successfull V6 deployment.
> Andrew ,  what is impeding deployment of the same in Kenya?
>
> Regards
>
> On 10/10/16, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
>> @Mwendwa,>>>
>> What can you do?
>>    - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and
>> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and
>> economic incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6
>> compatibility in procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within
>> your government agencies.
>>>>>The above text is what we were looking for to include in our revised
>>>>>.KE  ICT Policy.  How I wish you had shared this earlier :-)
>> walu.
>>
>>       From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>  To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>; General Discussions
>> of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>>  Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:55 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of
>> looming address shortage - Daily Nation
>>
>> This is an extremely important debate for the continent. Thank you Ali
>> for that.
>> Some of these issues have been debated thoroughly in several forums.
>> It's very important we continue debating them until we see an
>> exponential growth of IPv6 in the continent.To answer a few questions,
>> there is a clear justification on why it is necessary to migrate to IPv6.
>> Among them:
>>    - There are no enough IPv4 remaining for everyone. There are more
>> devices, and people on earth than IPv4. Maximum IPv4 addresses are
>> 4billion.
>> Population of Earth is 7.3Billion. Maximum IPv6 address 3.4×10   38
>>    - Migration will not happen overnight since the recommended
>> implementation is dual-stacking; that is, running IPv4 and IPv6 in
>> parallel.
>> We are not telling people to do away with IPv4, but to run the two
>> protocols in parallel.
>>    - To be a producer of information, you cannot use a shared IP, you
>> need a dedicated IP. This has been a big challenge in the continent.
>> We have stifled innovation by using shared IPs.
>>    - There are many services now around the world which are IPv6 only
>> website and services. If you are not on IPv6, you cannot get to these
>> networks. Africa may get into what I can call "Information dark age"
>> if we cannot acess some parts of the Internet.
>>    - IPv6 is necessary for business growth. How? How will your
>> business scale when IPv4 has run out?
>> What has AFRINIC done to bridge the gap?1. Trainings. This year alone,
>> AFRINIC is conducting free IPv6 trainings to over 23 countries across
>> the continent. Kenya was among the beneficiaries. Check this link
>> http://www.afrinic.net/services/training
>> AFRINIC has an extensive training program provides free training to
>> over 600 network engineers per year on Internet Number Resources
>> Management (INRM) and IPv6 Planning and Deployment. Our training
>> courses are always growing to support the technologies related to
>> Internet resources, including DNSSEC & RPKI. AFRINIC's IPv6 course are
>> IPv6 Forum (Gold) Certified and are fully hands-on, making use of
>> extensive IPv6 testbed access which gives participants hands-on
>> experience on real equipment to configure, test and troubleshoot IPv6.
>>
>> 2. AFRINIC has a Government Working Group (AfGWG). Here government
>> players are brought together to be sensitized on the need to push for
>> IPv6 adoption, and rollout of IXPs, among other. Here is the link
>> https://meeting.afrinic.net/afgwg/
>> 3. Issuance of v6 blocks to ISPs. All ISPs have been issued V6 blocks
>> by AFRINIC. What we should be seeing now is clients insisting they
>> want the ISPs to pass the benefits to the end users.
>> What can you do?
>>    - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and
>> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and
>> economic incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6
>> compatibility in procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within
>> your government agencies.
>>    - Broadband Access Providers: Your customers want access to the
>> entire Internet, and this means IPv4 and IPv6 websites. Offering full
>> access requires running IPv4/IPv6 transition services and is a
>> significant engineering project. Multiple transition technologies are
>> available, and each provider needs to make their own architectural
>> decisions.
>>    - Internet Service Providers: Implement a plan that will allow your
>> customers to connect to the Internet via IPv6 and IPv6/IPv4, not just
>> IPv4.
>> Businesses are beginning to ask for IPv6 over their existing Internet
>> connections and for their co-located servers. Communicate with your
>> peers and vendors about IPv6, and confirm their timelines for
>> production IPv6 services.
>>    - Internet Content Providers: Content must be reachable to future
>> Internet customers. Plan on serving content via IPv6 in addition to
>> IPv4 as soon as possible.
>>    - Enterprise Customers: Email, web, and application servers must be
>> reachable via IPv6 in addition to IPv4. Open a dialogue with your ISP
>> about providing IPv6 services. Each organization must decide on
>> timelines, and investment level will vary.
>>
>> What is the role of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in deploying
>> IPv6?This link
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/201607
>> 10/f7e693ac/attachment-0001.pdf contains some very interesting
>> statistics and findings on V6 deployments around the world, shared at
>> the OECD Ministerial Meeting in June2016. One lesson we can learn from
>> this is work very closely with ISPs. That seems to be the solution in
>> the success stories.
>>
>> *Some statistics on deployments*Belgium 55.11%,Germany 34.50%,United
>> States 32.83%Greece 28.53%Portugal 25.80%Ecuador 20.8%,Peru
>> 19.35%,Estonia 17,32%Japan 16.61%,Canada 9.83%Norway 6.65%Bolivia
>> 3.8%Italy 0.73%Spain 0.7%Denmark 0.61% Some interesting findings is
>> that deployment depends on the large ISPs uptake of v6 regardless of
>> economic circumstances. e.g Peru has a lower per capita but has more
>> deployment than Norway. Portugal with $22,000/capita and Greece
>> $21,000/capita are outperforming Denmark with $60,000/capita. Canada
>> $45,000/capita is trailing Estonia with $19,000/capita.
>> In the success stories, the majority of the commercial access market
>> products have IPv6 enabled by default, and competing products have
>> matching features.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 October 2016 at 11:44, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> That said, do we have any experts on DOA? I personally believe this is
>> the way forward...
>> https://www.google.co.kr/url? sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=
>> https://www.itu.int/ITU-D/arb/ ARO/2011/CyberSecurityForum-
>> Eg/Docs/Doc11-Sorene_18-12- 2011.pptx&ved=0ahUKEwjsv8jc3c_
>> PAhUU82MKHeXuALIQFggZMAA&usg= AFQjCNGzWEx4VBdgLQYrceW-
>> eme4GvjaWwThanks On 10 Oct 2016 4:37 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>
>> Andrew
>> Thank you so much for that informative response.
>> So let's paint a scenario.
>> Say, v4 exhausts in say 3 years. What are the implications for the
>> continent esp those who will not have migrated?
>> Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113
>> Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c
>> om/in/alihkassim
>>
>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my
>> iPad On 10 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Ali, If I may respond here.  Firstly – I think we need to be
>> careful about referring to blanket transition – what Liquid has said
>> is, we have to be ready with dual-stack networks.  As v4 runs out –
>> that dual-stack becomes more and more critical because it will enable
>> the full transition when the time comes for it.  How soon that will
>> come is hard to say – but it is coming. What are the major
>> impediments?  There are 2 or 3 major points
>> here: a.)    Lack of will to actually do it – it takes work, it takes
>> time, it takes effort – and the will power to actually move beyond
>> talking the talk into walking the walk doesn’t seem to be thereb.)
>> Lack of understanding/skill – The fact is that implementing v6 vs
>> implementing v4 – it’s just another protocol, same routing, same
>> everything.  But there is a fear factor walking into something that is
>> misunderstood.  That lack of understanding that you can build this
>> simultaneously in the same way you build v4, creates the fear factor.
>> The fear of handling addressing plans in hexadecimal is also
>> prohibiting growth.  I run into that one a lot – people having issues
>> with the address planning.c.)    The last question is the million
>> dollar one – because the reality is – all it takes is will power and a
>> willingness to actually take some action. The simple fact is – we had
>> a relatively small team on this – we committed a bunch of hours – we
>> stuck our heads down and did it.  We did not spend money – other than
>> the cost of the time (which is an OPEX cost admittedly).  We said
>> ourselves deadlines and we DID it.  There are those who propose that
>> setting policies to try and force
>> v6 is workable – it’s not – unless the will is there it will achieve
>> nothing.  People have to WANT this.  It is a matter of desire and a
>> matter of seeing the benefits – the benefits are future proofing –
>> they are not based on revenue generation, but more revenue retention.
>> And if anyone wants to see just how much impact you can have with a
>> small team that actually has the desire, please see the following
>> stats out of Zimbabwe (our largest consumer market)
>> http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
>> v6/ZW?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
>> v6/AS30969?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
>> v6/XB?b=20161001&d=10 (I see things have slightly dropped off today,
>> these stats tend to fluctuate, but fact is – it’s out there and it
>> work’s. Andrew    From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> Date: Monday, 10 October 2016 at 09:01
>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >,
>> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net >
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of looming address
>> shortage - Daily Nation Dear listersGreetings and apologies for
>> cross-posting.Internet service provider Liquid Telecom Kenya has
>> warned that Africa is set to run out of Internet Protocol (IP)
>> addresses as early as next year, potentially slowing down digital
>> growth in the continent.Read on:-http://www.nation.co.ke/busine
>> ss/Liquid-Telecom-warns-of-
>> looming-address-shortage/996- 3410850-format-xhtml-aub5sm/
>> index.htmlCouple of questions:-1. How involved are we as a community
>> in ensuring the smooth transition from IPV4 to IPV6?2. What have been
>> the major impediments to the successful migration?3. How can we move
>> the needle faster?Ali Hussein
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
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