[Community-Discuss] [kictanet] Liquid Telecom warns of looming address shortage - Daily Nation

Mon Oct 10 11:28:30 UTC 2016

Dear Walu et al?

Liquid has been on Zimbabwean Media over successfull V6 deployment.
Andrew ,  what is impeding deployment of the same in Kenya?

Regards

On 10/10/16, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> @Mwendwa,>>>
> What can you do?
>    - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and
> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and economic
> incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6 compatibility in
> procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within your government
> agencies.
>>>>The above text is what we were looking for to include in our revised .KE
>>>> ICT Policy.  How I wish you had shared this earlier :-)
> walu.
>
>       From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>; General Discussions of
> AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>  Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:55 AM
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of looming
> address shortage - Daily Nation
>
> This is an extremely important debate for the continent. Thank you Ali for
> that.
> Some of these issues have been debated thoroughly in several forums. It's
> very important we continue debating them until we see an exponential growth
> of IPv6 in the continent.To answer a few questions, there is a clear
> justification on why it is necessary to migrate to IPv6.  Among them:
>    - There are no enough IPv4 remaining for everyone. There are more
> devices, and people on earth than IPv4. Maximum IPv4 addresses are 4billion.
> Population of Earth is 7.3Billion. Maximum IPv6 address 3.4×10   38
>    - Migration will not happen overnight since the recommended
> implementation is dual-stacking; that is, running IPv4 and IPv6 in parallel.
> We are not telling people to do away with IPv4, but to run the two protocols
> in parallel.
>    - To be a producer of information, you cannot use a shared IP, you need a
> dedicated IP. This has been a big challenge in the continent. We have
> stifled innovation by using shared IPs.
>    - There are many services now around the world which are IPv6 only
> website and services. If you are not on IPv6, you cannot get to these
> networks. Africa may get into what I can call "Information dark age" if we
> cannot acess some parts of the Internet.
>    - IPv6 is necessary for business growth. How? How will your business
> scale when IPv4 has run out?
> What has AFRINIC done to bridge the gap?1. Trainings. This year alone,
> AFRINIC is conducting free IPv6 trainings to over 23 countries across the
> continent. Kenya was among the beneficiaries. Check this link
> http://www.afrinic.net/services/training
> AFRINIC has an extensive training program provides free training to over 600
> network engineers per year on Internet Number Resources Management (INRM)
> and IPv6 Planning and Deployment. Our training courses are always growing to
> support the technologies related to Internet resources, including DNSSEC &
> RPKI. AFRINIC's IPv6 course are IPv6 Forum (Gold) Certified and are fully
> hands-on, making use of extensive IPv6 testbed access which gives
> participants hands-on experience on real equipment to configure, test and
> troubleshoot IPv6.
>
> 2. AFRINIC has a Government Working Group (AfGWG). Here government players
> are brought together to be sensitized on the need to push for IPv6 adoption,
> and rollout of IXPs, among other. Here is the
> link https://meeting.afrinic.net/afgwg/
> 3. Issuance of v6 blocks to ISPs. All ISPs have been issued V6 blocks by
> AFRINIC. What we should be seeing now is clients insisting they want the
> ISPs to pass the benefits to the end users.
> What can you do?
>    - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and
> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and economic
> incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6 compatibility in
> procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within your government
> agencies.
>    - Broadband Access Providers: Your customers want access to the entire
> Internet, and this means IPv4 and IPv6 websites. Offering full access
> requires running IPv4/IPv6 transition services and is a significant
> engineering project. Multiple transition technologies are available, and
> each provider needs to make their own architectural decisions.
>    - Internet Service Providers: Implement a plan that will allow your
> customers to connect to the Internet via IPv6 and IPv6/IPv4, not just IPv4.
> Businesses are beginning to ask for IPv6 over their existing Internet
> connections and for their co-located servers. Communicate with your peers
> and vendors about IPv6, and confirm their timelines for production IPv6
> services.
>    - Internet Content Providers: Content must be reachable to future
> Internet customers. Plan on serving content via IPv6 in addition to IPv4 as
> soon as possible.
>    - Enterprise Customers: Email, web, and application servers must be
> reachable via IPv6 in addition to IPv4. Open a dialogue with your ISP about
> providing IPv6 services. Each organization must decide on timelines, and
> investment level will vary.
>
> What is the role of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in deploying IPv6?This
> link
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160710/f7e693ac/attachment-0001.pdf
> contains some very interesting statistics and findings on V6 deployments
> around the world, shared at the OECD Ministerial Meeting in June2016. One
> lesson we can learn from this is work very closely with ISPs. That seems to
> be the solution in the success stories.
>
> *Some statistics on deployments*Belgium 55.11%,Germany 34.50%,United States
> 32.83%Greece 28.53%Portugal 25.80%Ecuador 20.8%,Peru 19.35%,Estonia
> 17,32%Japan 16.61%,Canada 9.83%Norway 6.65%Bolivia 3.8%Italy 0.73%Spain
> 0.7%Denmark 0.61%
> Some interesting findings is that deployment depends on the large ISPs
> uptake of v6 regardless of economic circumstances. e.g Peru has a lower per
> capita but has more deployment than Norway. Portugal with $22,000/capita and
> Greece $21,000/capita are outperforming Denmark with $60,000/capita. Canada
> $45,000/capita is trailing Estonia with $19,000/capita.
> In the success stories, the majority of the commercial access market
> products have IPv6 enabled by default, and competing products have matching
> features.
>
> Regards
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>
>
>
> On 10 October 2016 at 11:44, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> That said, do we have any experts on DOA? I personally believe this is the
> way forward...
> https://www.google.co.kr/url? sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=
> https://www.itu.int/ITU-D/arb/ ARO/2011/CyberSecurityForum-
> Eg/Docs/Doc11-Sorene_18-12- 2011.pptx&ved=0ahUKEwjsv8jc3c_
> PAhUU82MKHeXuALIQFggZMAA&usg= AFQjCNGzWEx4VBdgLQYrceW- eme4GvjaWwThanks
> On 10 Oct 2016 4:37 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Andrew
> Thank you so much for that informative response.
> So let's paint a scenario.
> Say, v4 exhausts in say 3 years. What are the implications for the continent
> esp those who will not have migrated?
> Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113
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>
> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what
> no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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> On 10 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ali, If I may respond here.  Firstly – I think we need to be careful
> about referring to blanket transition – what Liquid has said is, we have to
> be ready with dual-stack networks.  As v4 runs out – that dual-stack becomes
> more and more critical because it will enable the full transition when the
> time comes for it.  How soon that will come is hard to say – but it is
> coming. What are the major impediments?  There are 2 or 3 major points
> here: a.)    Lack of will to actually do it – it takes work, it takes time,
> it takes effort – and the will power to actually move beyond talking the
> talk into walking the walk doesn’t seem to be thereb.)    Lack of
> understanding/skill – The fact is that implementing v6 vs implementing v4 –
> it’s just another protocol, same routing, same everything.  But there is a
> fear factor walking into something that is misunderstood.  That lack of
> understanding that you can build this simultaneously in the same way you
> build v4, creates the fear factor.  The fear of handling addressing plans in
> hexadecimal is also prohibiting growth.  I run into that one a lot – people
> having issues with the address planning.c.)    The last question is the
> million dollar one – because the reality is – all it takes is will power and
> a willingness to actually take some action. The simple fact is – we had a
> relatively small team on this – we committed a bunch of hours – we stuck our
> heads down and did it.  We did not spend money – other than the cost of the
> time (which is an OPEX cost admittedly).  We said ourselves deadlines and we
> DID it.  There are those who propose that setting policies to try and force
> v6 is workable – it’s not – unless the will is there it will achieve
> nothing.  People have to WANT this.  It is a matter of desire and a matter
> of seeing the benefits – the benefits are future proofing – they are not
> based on revenue generation, but more revenue retention. And if anyone wants
> to see just how much impact you can have with a small team that actually has
> the desire, please see the following stats out of Zimbabwe (our largest
> consumer market) http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
> v6/ZW?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
> v6/AS30969?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip
> v6/XB?b=20161001&d=10 (I see things have slightly dropped off today, these
> stats tend to fluctuate, but fact is – it’s out there and it
> work’s. Andrew    From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> Date: Monday, 10 October 2016 at 09:01
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >,
> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net >
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of looming address
> shortage - Daily Nation Dear listersGreetings and apologies for
> cross-posting.Internet service provider Liquid Telecom Kenya has warned that
> Africa is set to run out of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses as early as
> next year, potentially slowing down digital growth in the continent.Read
> on:-http://www.nation.co.ke/busine ss/Liquid-Telecom-warns-of-
> looming-address-shortage/996- 3410850-format-xhtml-aub5sm/ index.htmlCouple
> of questions:-1. How involved are we as a community in ensuring the smooth
> transition from IPV4 to IPV6?2. What have been the major impediments to the
> successful migration?3. How can we move the needle faster?Ali Hussein
> Tel: +254 713 601113
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