[Community-Discuss] Regular updates on Number Resource Applications and Approvals

Mark Elkins mje at posix.co.za
Mon Nov 7 15:52:22 UTC 2016

On 07/11/2016 17:15, Dewole Ajao wrote:
> Responsibility of requesting entities is what I meant, Mark. Please do
> not attempt to declare anything on my behalf.

I'm afraid that was the first thought that came to mind. I'm probably
not alone. My thought is also not about you, but the idea.

> If an applicant knows the community sees in realtime, he/she is less
> likely to put in phony stuff that just wastes the hostmasters' time and
> increases the time taken to process legit requests.

I understand your intention and I agree with you (Visibility should
reduce phony requests) but then I think you'd need to see the
application visible up front as soon as it goes to the Hostmaster.

Perhaps then all new requests need to be put on an open website for
everybody to see - along with their current progress state. I don't
think many applicants would like this (see - these are our plans to
provide Internet) but their competition would probably love it (Ha, so
we do this and they fail).

When we are in the Soft-Landing part of IPv4 or better still, the last
25% of soft-landing - then maybe this could be an appropriate idea. The
community can view and therefore report on any suspicious applications.
This would probably make the whole assignment process take longer -
which should be less of an issue then.

> Dewole.
> On 07/11/2016 16:09, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> On 07/11/2016 16:53, Dewole Ajao wrote:
>>> Once a week is good. ARIN has a daily issued feed but that's a bit
>>> different from what I'm suggesting.
>>> I agree the actual allocated/assigned ranges need not be disclosed; I do
>>> however think that sharing the names of (applicant) organizations will
>>> help with responsibility and possibly reduce the occurrence of phony
>>> applications (if there have been any).
>> Isn't that basically declaring you don't trust AFRINIC staff to do the
>> right thing?
>> What I tend to hear (happened twice today) is that the Hostmasters are
>> so strict - its extremely difficult to get things done (according to the
>> entities moaning at me).
>> I therefore trust the Hostmasters - they are doing the right thing.
>>> Dewole.
>>> On 07/11/2016 15:35, Mark Elkins wrote:
>>>> Interesting. I think though a once-a-week stats figure would be
>>>> sufficient - perhaps with a projected end date?
>>>> I've seen that before somewhere....
>>>> AFRINIC should not give out the names of the organisations receiving the
>>>> address space or the actual ranges themselves though.
>>>> On 07/11/2016 16:29, Dewole Ajao wrote:
>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>> I was wondering if anyone else thinks it would be useful to see
>>>>> weekly/daily details (in human readable format) of new applications and
>>>>> approvals for Internet number resources perhaps as a weekly/daily email
>>>>> from AFRINIC to this (or the members) list.
>>>>> Given increased depletion rates, I think having these details in
>>>>> (almost) real-time will increase the community's awareness rather than
>>>>> rely solely on the biannual statistical updates (which in any case do
>>>>> not contain details of who is making attempts to acquire number
>>>>> resources). I think the Org Name, Country, Type and size of resource
>>>>> requested/approved would be even more useful than the resource type/size
>>>>> and country data already available in delegation stats at
>>>>> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/
>>>>> This would be purely operational and a community value addition so it
>>>>> should not require a new policy, right?
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dewole Ajao.
>>>>> (in my capacity as a community member)
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