[Community-Discuss] post ipv4 depletion frauds, brokers activities

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
Sun Jun 26 13:09:14 UTC 2016

Hi Nishal,

You and I are actually very much on the same page here.  

What I am seeing on this list of late is people attempting to “force” their opinions on others.  Yet, at the same time, I don’t see the same people who are yelling about things actually doing them themselves.  I keep hearing how people need to adopt RPKI and how there is something wrong that it isn’t being implemented – I don’t agree with this stance, it’s a choice, if people are rejecting it then it is no one’s right to tell these people to suddenly implement it.  I see people trying to “force” ipv6 adoption, and again, I think this is a very bad way to go about it.  People will implement what they want to implement for their own reasons (normally commercial).

The other phrase I keep hearing is that “The big operators should do v6 and the small ones can have the v4”, and again, I disagree, each operator will make its own choices as to when and how it is ready.  With those choices will come consequences that the operator will have to deal with.  It is not the job of this community to enforce its views on commercial operations of any provider.  You cannot mandate someone use ipv6 if they don’t want to, you cannot mandate someone use RPKI if they don’t want to.  What you can do is encourage it (and even potentially make it *FAR* more expensive for them NOT to do it), but you can’t force it.  And if you DO attempt to force it, you have to do it unilaterally, it applies to everyone, from the smallest to the biggest, with no exceptions.

That’s just my personal opinion though.


On 26/06/2016, 2:35 PM, "Nishal Goburdhan" <nishal at controlfreak.co.za> wrote:

On 25 Jun 2016, at 15:49, Andrew Alston wrote:

> Just need to point out, RPKI is a *choice*, and there could be many 
> reasons for people NOT running RPKI, that go beyond just AfriNIC 
> promoting it or not.

correct.  no-one is forcing anything on anyone, andrew  :-)

> I for one am not on that list of ASN’s, and I have zero plans to be 
> on that list of ASN’s.  Not because I don’t know how to implement 
> it, not because I can’t go and get it, but because I am 
> fundamentally opposed to RPKI for various reasons.

i think my subtle point was missed ..
if it matters to you - and, if you’re going to complain about, the 
poor adoption of RPKI/IPv6/DNSSEC/blah/, start first by implementing it 
in your own network.

to paraphrase someone much wiser than i am:  “be the change, you want 
to see in the network .. “


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