[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

[Owen DeLong]

Mark’s clarification is exactly what I was referring to when I said that I
believed the board had adequate reasons not to place Badrue on the CoE.

I wasn’t on the board, but I was present at the Tunis meeting.

Owen

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:11 , Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng> wrote:
> 
> +1 Mark. This clarification was indeed necessary. ​
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>> wrote:
> Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting.
> 
> Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the
> Board had an impromptu meeting on stage during the meeting.
> I believe that one can guess he was asked to resign by the Board.
> 
> There were a number of ugly words exchanged at that meeting and if you
> were present at that meeting, I believe that you would have got the idea
> that there was bad blood between various parties.
> 
> I was on the Board at that time. Personally, I would not have agreed to
> having Badru in the honourably position of being a community elder (as
> such, CoE).
> 
> Any Board Member who steps down and who causes such disarray and
> hostility should expect to be kept at a distance. Please, I'm not trying
> to pick on Badru, but on the situation and actions at the time. It would
> not be rational to then honour such a past Chairperson with a seat on
> the CoE.
> 
> On 13/07/2016 09:40, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>
> >> <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Nishal +1
> >>
> >>     Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were
> >>     to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even
> >>     if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that
> >>     would disqualify them as a director.
> >>
> >>     I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE
> >>     member, or a convict.
> >>
> >>
> >> No community would.  We want them because of their experience as
> >> former Chairs
> >> I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider
> >> or be considered.  So some might decline or be denied
> >>
> >>
> >>     So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.
> >>
> >>
> >> This is what bothers me.  We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are
> >> discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this
> >> improve trust?
> >
> > Omo,
> >
> > You are claiming facts not in evidence.
> >
> > The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been
> > considered by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of
> > action in either direction, positive or negative. He further noted that
> > it will be on the agenda at the next board meeting.
> >
> > Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on
> > is nonsensical.
> >
> > Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They
> > are free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and
> > nothing requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If
> > you don’t like their decision, vote for different board members next
> > time there is an election.
> >
> > Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the
> > chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from
> > the board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they
> > choose not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this
> > is a decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever
> > decision they make.
> >
> > The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to
> > choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> >
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