[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

Wed Jul 13 19:20:16 UTC 2016

Fabian 

It's unfortunate that you are not privy to all the facts which are shielded behind non-disclosure. My actions for the sake of the organisation I cannot share the depth and detail so the likes of Elkins can frame what they choose to frame. 

Please trace back the origins of my resignation and history of events in Mauritius which chair has deliberately sealed but also offered a heavily edited version in Tunis. 

The character attack that Elkins and others are starting on this thread is characteristic of someone with a weak argument if all fails attack the individual. 

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> On 13 Jul 2016, at 8:06 pm, Fabian Jr <afabbie at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I second Mark's remarks...
> 
> I was following Tunisia meeting online I was not there physically it was a shame....
> 
> It's very unfortunate.. Badru is from my region EA...
> 
> I'm sorry I would not recommend him to the elders group at least for now
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>  Original Message
> From: Mark Elkins
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:58
> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Reply To: mje at posix.co.za
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders
> 
> 
> Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting.
> 
> Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the
> Board had an impromptu meeting on stage during the meeting.
> I believe that one can guess he was asked to resign by the Board.
> 
> There were a number of ugly words exchanged at that meeting and if you
> were present at that meeting, I believe that you would have got the idea
> that there was bad blood between various parties.
> 
> I was on the Board at that time. Personally, I would not have agreed to
> having Badru in the honourably position of being a community elder (as
> such, CoE).
> 
> Any Board Member who steps down and who causes such disarray and
> hostility should expect to be kept at a distance. Please, I'm not trying
> to pick on Badru, but on the situation and actions at the time. It would
> not be rational to then honour such a past Chairperson with a seat on
> the CoE.
> 
>> On 13/07/2016 09:40, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net
>>> <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Nishal +1
>>> 
>>>    Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were
>>>    to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even
>>>    if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that
>>>    would disqualify them as a director.
>>> 
>>>    I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE
>>>    member, or a convict.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No community would.  We want them because of their experience as
>>> former Chairs
>>> I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider
>>> or be considered.  So some might decline or be denied
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is what bothers me.  We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are
>>> discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this
>>> improve trust?
>> 
>> Omo,
>> 
>> You are claiming facts not in evidence.
>> 
>> The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been
>> considered by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of
>> action in either direction, positive or negative. He further noted that
>> it will be on the agenda at the next board meeting.
>> 
>> Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on
>> is nonsensical.
>> 
>> Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They
>> are free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and
>> nothing requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If
>> you don’t like their decision, vote for different board members next
>> time there is an election.
>> 
>> Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the
>> chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from
>> the board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they
>> choose not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this
>> is a decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever
>> decision they make.
>> 
>> The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to
>> choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
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