[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

[Fabian Jr]

I second Mark's remarks...

I was following Tunisia meeting online I was not there physically it was a shame....

It's very unfortunate.. Badru is from my region EA...

I'm sorry I would not recommend him to the elders group at least for now

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  Original Message
From: Mark Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:58
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
Reply To: mje at posix.co.za
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders


Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting.

Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the
Board had an impromptu meeting on stage during the meeting.
I believe that one can guess he was asked to resign by the Board.

There were a number of ugly words exchanged at that meeting and if you
were present at that meeting, I believe that you would have got the idea
that there was bad blood between various parties.

I was on the Board at that time. Personally, I would not have agreed to
having Badru in the honourably position of being a community elder (as
such, CoE).

Any Board Member who steps down and who causes such disarray and
hostility should expect to be kept at a distance. Please, I'm not trying
to pick on Badru, but on the situation and actions at the time. It would
not be rational to then honour such a past Chairperson with a seat on
the CoE.

On 13/07/2016 09:40, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net
>> <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com
>> <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Nishal +1
>>
>>     Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were
>>     to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even
>>     if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that
>>     would disqualify them as a director.
>>
>>     I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE
>>     member, or a convict.
>>
>>
>> No community would.  We want them because of their experience as
>> former Chairs
>> I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider
>> or be considered.  So some might decline or be denied
>>
>>
>>     So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.
>>
>>
>> This is what bothers me.  We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are
>> discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this
>> improve trust?
>
> Omo,
>
> You are claiming facts not in evidence.
>
> The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been
> considered by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of
> action in either direction, positive or negative. He further noted that
> it will be on the agenda at the next board meeting.
>
> Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on
> is nonsensical.
>
> Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They
> are free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and
> nothing requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If
> you don’t like their decision, vote for different board members next
> time there is an election.
>
> Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the
> chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from
> the board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they
> choose not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this
> is a decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever
> decision they make.
>
> The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to
> choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
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