[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

Wed Jul 13 10:50:58 UTC 2016

I've had to watch proceedings on this thread following Honest's honest
enquiry at the CEO/Chair. For me I'm sure it was just an objective
observation which also ask some more questions begging for answers.

Firstly, how many past full term Board Chair are currently in the CoE? How
were they nominated or appointed to the CoE? Was it an oversight 1 year
after Mr. Ntege has completed his tenure that he was not considered even if
he was qualified or not? Was the current Board waiting for Mr. Ntege to
appoint or nominate himself? Glad that the Chair has graciously added it to
the next agenda, but was it because the issue was raised here? I've read
Mr. Ntege earlier submission on this which suggests that things didn't
follow the normal cause. This should be corrected to avoid similar
situations in the future.

While I don't doubt the capability of the current Board to take AFRINIC to
the next enviable level, but more should be done to continually uphold and
justify the trust the community has in you all. Remember that once the
trust is gone, crisis will follow!

For me, we don't need to settle any personal or political scores on this
platform. The diverse opinions of the community members should not always
throw us off guard, rather it should propel us to achieve a better AFRINIC.
For new members of the community like me, I don't think it's nice when we
see derogatory comments on each other from the elders. IMHO sirs and ma,
everyone should strive to drive home their points constructively and
objectively without personal confrontation.

AFRINIC is bigger than us all!

I wish to submit here for now. Thanks

Timothy
On 13 Jul 2016 11:10 a.m., "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

Marcus

I'd agree with you. The best policy to deal with matters like this would be
to dispense with them post-haste.

In the spirit of this I think we need to acknowledge the Chair's commitment
to address this issue at the earliest.

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On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:30 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Community,

In fact, the purpose of the email of Honest was to smartly draw the
attention of the CEO and the Chair of the board of the job they have not
done yet. The chair has understood this and has promised to take it to the
board for discussion.

The delay in considering the appointment of Mr. Ntege to the CoE, whether
intentional or not, whether at discretion of board or not, it is showing
the dysfunctional characteristic of the board. The consequence of this
delay of a year is in bad taste which does not build trust. Moreover, this
delay has also generated on this mailing list some unpleasant acrobatic
interpretations of the section 16.1 of the bylaw, which understanding is
obvious.

Let us wait for the outcome of the board meeting which we hope will accord
former chairs due respect for sacrifices

I hope this time the report of the chair will not display the syndrome of
“sweep under carpet”.

Thank you,

Marcus

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From: evelyngeek at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:31:17 +0300
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

Owen,

Your latest submission is evidence enough that you personally have a
problem with Badru being on the CoE and thus are trying to justify for the
board why they should or should not appoint him. I get it, this is your
personal opinion. I also would like you to respect other people's opinions
such as Omo's suggestion that since we don't yet have 6 appointed members
to the CoE, leaving Badru out is merely discrimination.

All I'm saying is, don't elevate your points and try to minimize other
people's inputs.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:

On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:

Nishal +1

Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass,
or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to
be convicted of an offense after their term that would disqualify them as a
director.

I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE member,
or a convict.

No community would.  We want them because of their experience as former
Chairs
I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider or be
considered.  So some might decline or be denied

So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.

This is what bothers me.  We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are
discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this improve
trust?

Omo,

You are claiming facts not in evidence.

The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been considered
by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of action in either
direction, positive or negative. He further noted that it will be on the
agenda at the next board meeting.

Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on is
nonsensical.

Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They are
free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and nothing
requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If you don’t
like their decision, vote for different board members next time there is an
election.

Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the
chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from the
board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they choose
not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this is a
decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever decision
they make.

The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to
choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.

Owen

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