<p dir="ltr">I've had to watch proceedings on this thread following Honest's honest enquiry at the CEO/Chair. For me I'm sure it was just an objective observation which also ask some more questions begging for answers. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Firstly, how many past full term Board Chair are currently in the CoE? How were they nominated or appointed to the CoE? Was it an oversight 1 year after Mr. Ntege has completed his tenure that he was not considered even if he was qualified or not? Was the current Board waiting for Mr. Ntege to appoint or nominate himself? Glad that the Chair has graciously added it to the next agenda, but was it because the issue was raised here? I've read Mr. Ntege earlier submission on this which suggests that things didn't follow the normal cause. This should be corrected to avoid similar situations in the future. </p>
<p dir="ltr">While I don't doubt the capability of the current Board to take AFRINIC to the next enviable level, but more should be done to continually uphold and justify the trust the community has in you all. Remember that once the trust is gone, crisis will follow! </p>
<p dir="ltr">For me, we don't need to settle any personal or political scores on this platform. The diverse opinions of the community members should not always throw us off guard, rather it should propel us to achieve a better AFRINIC. For new members of the community like me, I don't think it's nice when we see derogatory comments on each other from the elders. IMHO sirs and ma, everyone should strive to drive home their points constructively and objectively without personal confrontation. </p>
<p dir="ltr">AFRINIC is bigger than us all! </p>
<p dir="ltr">I wish to submit here for now. Thanks</p>
<p dir="ltr">Timothy </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Jul 2016 11:10 a.m., "Ali Hussein" <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Marcus</div><div><br></div><div>I'd agree with you. The best policy to deal with matters like this would be to dispense with them post-haste. </div><div><br></div><div>In the spirit of this I think we need to acknowledge the Chair's commitment to address this issue at the earliest. <br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div class="elided-text"><div><br>On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:30 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div dir="ltr">Dear Community,<br><br>In fact, the purpose of the email of Honest was to smartly draw the attention of the CEO and the Chair of the board of the job they have not done yet. The chair has understood this and has promised to take it to the board for discussion.<br><br>The delay in considering the appointment of Mr. Ntege to the CoE, whether intentional or not, whether at discretion of board or not, it is showing the dysfunctional characteristic of the board. The consequence of this delay of a year is in bad taste which does not build trust. Moreover, this delay has also generated on this mailing list some unpleasant acrobatic interpretations of the section 16.1 of the bylaw, which understanding is obvious. <br><br>Let us wait for the outcome of the board meeting which we hope will accord former chairs due respect for sacrifices<br><br>I hope this time the report of the chair will not display the syndrome of “sweep under carpet”.<br><br>Thank you,<br><br><br>Marcus<br><br><br><br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com" target="_blank">evelyngeek@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:31:17 +0300<br>To: <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Owen,<br><br><br></div><div>Your latest submission is evidence enough that you personally have a problem with Badru being on the CoE and thus are trying to justify for the board why they should or should not appoint him. I get it, this is your personal opinion. I also would like you to respect other people's opinions such as Omo's suggestion that since we don't yet have 6 appointed members to the CoE, leaving Badru out is merely discrimination. <br><br></div><div>All I'm saying is, don't elevate your points and try to minimize other people's inputs.<br></div><br></div><div><br><div>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br><div><blockquote><div>On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div><br><div>On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Nishal +1<br>
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Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that would disqualify them as a director. <br></blockquote><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE member, or a convict.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No community would. We want them because of their experience as former Chairs </div><div>I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider or be considered. So some might decline or be denied</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>This is what bothers me. We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this improve trust?</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div></div>Omo,<div><br></div><div>You are claiming facts not in evidence.</div><div><br></div><div>The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been considered by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of action in either direction, positive or negative. He further noted that it will be on the agenda at the next board meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on is nonsensical.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They are free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and nothing requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If you don’t like their decision, vote for different board members next time there is an election.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from the board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they choose not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this is a decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever decision they make.</div><div><br></div><div>The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></font></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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