[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Governance
jwalu at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 22 05:35:10 UTC 2015
Seems like this Governance committee is going to be the silver bullet to all our problems :-)
So just give us a date before we get too personal about it. In any case, deadlines are global good practice - even if you miss them, you will have moved closer towards achieving them.
From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>; Sunday Folayan <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Governance
Please go back and read all the archives of my tenure then substantiate your empty comments.
Owen I value your v6 knowledge but of late your posts definately show a deficiency of organisational knowledge.
It's not a necessity that you have to comment if you have nothing constructive to add its acceptable for you to be silent. It amazing the way you come to our african community and belittle expectations you would not accept in your home community Arin.
Your attack on me Shows the limited depth you might have beyond routing I might be wrong here but that's the displayed perception.
As I suggested please read the archives. The whole governance issue comes from the last meeting and the emails on commitments are also online.
To request definite timelines does not deserve your unsolicited attack.
I think this community has had enough of your condescending comments. I'm sure many silent voices will share the same view.
I for one respect your IP knowledge but you have no ground to try and lecture me on building or running organisations.
So stop trying to derail us. We have a community to support and build and we will not take your nonsense anymore.
Afrinic is a strong organisation built by the community belonging to the community. We might have differences in approach but we definately do not need your un educated poison in the mix.
I ask you maintain your input in our community on a purely constructive and additive tone.
Badru NtegeCEO NFT Consult Ltd Www.Nftconsult.com
“Vision without execution is hallucination.” ― Thomas A. Edison
On 22 Sep 2015, at 1:34 am, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
[ PS: In fact I would like to suggest for Badru to fall back from exercising his rights as a community member since his subjective opinions are being looked upon with a biased point of view which fundamentally doesn't help the entire community....]
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:27 am Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
Owen? Please dont drag us into the Badru past and present actions as they are irrelevant to progress....What is so difficult in giving the community an indicative timeline? Yes we know we are all used to the whole T.I.A thing but we can't expect to see changes if we continue behaving this way.....It's as simple as [ dear community, expect us to get back to you within a month or so ]....We can't be reminding folk of their responsibilities whether it's Badru requesting for an update or a different member of the community...PS: In fact I would to suggest for Badru to fall back from his exercising his rights as a community member since his subjective opinions are being looked upon with a biased point of view which fundamentally does help the entire community....Noah
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 8:57 pm Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
While I do agree that some milestones and target dates for this process should soon be forthcoming
from the board, I will point out that Badru’s is the first request for them.I want to give Mr. Ntege the benefit of the doubt and presume that he only seeks to improve AfriNIC,
but it is difficult under the circumstances when you consider that the very behavior he now criticizes
was his own behavior while he was chair. Two of the three years that this process has dragged on
so far were under his leadership as chairman of the board. I am glad to see that he is now interested
in moving forward with greater board accountability, but I wish he had been such a staunch activist
while he was still a member of that august body.Now is a time of many leadership changes in AfriNIC. I have a high degree of confidence in the
new leadership, but they have inherited an overwhelming amount of action items. This is not to
make excuses, so much as to say let’s allow them to do their jobs.If another month goes by and we have not seen some steps and target dates from the board
based on the output of the committee assigned to this task, then perhaps there is reason for
concern. However, expecting a complete response to such a large ask within a week of making
the original request is not reasonable in my opinion.I do not believe it is in Sunday’s nature to drag his feet on action requested by the community,
nor do I think he is resistant to transparency or to the governance committee.Owen> On Sep 21, 2015, at 01:47 , Saul <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:
> I must say that I do agree with Badru on this one.
> Even if the timeframe is 6 months or a year, but to say that we are
> working on something with no due reporting date is a ticket for disaster.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com]
> Sent: 21 September 2015 09:54 AM
> To: Sunday Folayan <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net>; Badru Ntege
> <ntegeb at gmail.com>
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net;members-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Governance
> Thank you chair
> Sorry for the delay in response.
> I just thought it would be better to give members delivery times. I still
> see no delivery time which means that we could be discussing governance in
> 2 years time.
> The same issue goes inline with performance which is an issue that is
> hoped to be covered under governance.
> You cannot improve what you cannot measure. So I really ask that we start
> giving actual deliverables.
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