[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd November 2015

Tue Nov 24 21:58:50 UTC 2015

Hi Seun

Dont treat my response out of context.

I did not respond to any specific person in particular... my subjective
frustration was a general outcry....

I also dont even understand the catch phrase "the world is watching" ...
which world and does it care???????

We ought to sort our own issues ourselves at the end of the day going
forward.... we appreciate the past support.

Noah
On 25 Nov 2015 00:18, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Noah,
>
> I don't think a public response like this to a community member is
> appropriate. We all have our differences and we should recognise that by
> accommodating one another.
>
> I have participated within other RIR communities and I don't experience
> such a response, the worse I get is "no response" to my comments (which by
> the way can be annoying), but it doesn't mean I am not permitted to share
> my view.
>
> I encourage us all to remain focused on the substance in the interest of
> the organisation. Like Prof Nii rightly alluded to; the world is watching.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 24 Nov 2015 20:50, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
>> Some of you ought to remain either silent or as observers......
>>
>> some of your comments clearly ever add value....
>>
>> We are sick and tired....
>>
>> Noah
>> On 24 Nov 2015 22:37, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 04:08 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> I think Andrew did make his point very clear and as shocking as it maybe
>>> to you I think we had a fact based discussion and to me ended mutually.
>>> Actually again to shock you I of all the dialogue I had on this list I
>>> think the one with Andrew was clear.
>>>
>>> What I do not understand is contributions like yours which look for what
>>> was not in the email.  I might not agree with Andrew most times but does
>>> not mean I cannot dialogue with him.
>>>
>>>
>>> You are the one incorporating things not in the email. I never said you
>>> could not dialogue with Andrew and I would never presume to speak for him.
>>>
>>> I spoke only to what I saw as the facts of the matter and of my opinion
>>> as a concerned member of the community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless he asked you to help on the mail (which I doubt)  I do not
>>> understand why you then write on his behalf
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I do not believe I did so. I wrote on my behalf as a concerned
>>> member of the community who is tired of your repetitive attempts to rewrite
>>> history to your own liking.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately its missguided souls like you that are part of our biggest
>>> problem.  One could even go as far as calling  the cancer.
>>>
>>>
>>> An interesting and telling comment.
>>>
>>> I wonder, could you attack my statements on their merit rather than
>>> resorting to ad hominem?
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> Baffled ????????
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/23/15, 10:35 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 03:26 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> Comments inline
>>>
>>> On 11/23/15, 2:11 PM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Firstly, let me state my apologies for my silence of late, due to
>>> circumstances beyond my control I have been largely out of contact for the
>>> purposes of AfriNIC business for the better part of 2 months.  It is
>>> important to note that the terms of reference require that the audit
>>> committee act unanimously, and this could not happen over this period,
>>> hence certain delays, which again, I apologise for.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could we be lead to assume that you do not have enough time to serve
>>> Afrinic.  We do totally understand that Afrinic is purely voluntary and if
>>> your primary assignments have become too demanding, mechanisms of relieving
>>> the workload do exist.  I’m sure chair is fully aware of these so we do not
>>> have to elaborate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Badru,
>>>
>>> It’s clear you can be led to assume whatever you wish and that you are
>>> clearly attempting to lead the community to assume facts not in evidence.
>>>
>>> Even the most dedicated volunteers sometimes have things come up which
>>> temporarily pull them away from their volunteer duties. Andrew has
>>> expressed this in a manner that implies the distraction was temporary in
>>> nature and I see no reason to believe otherwise. I’m quite certain that if
>>> Andrew faced any sort of permanent inability to fulfill his obligations, he
>>> would act accordingly without requiring any form of encouragement from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please rest assured that a lot of work has gone in since Tunis into
>>> ensuring that the information that is provided to the community is accurate
>>> and a fair representation.  I would rather such information was provided
>>> slightly delayed than contained inaccuracies or disputed pointed, and as a
>>> result, the work has taken a significant amount of time, due to the care
>>> and thoroughness applied.
>>>
>>>
>>> The above in a way is in contradiction to your pre-ceeding statement
>>> which referred to conflicting priorities.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, it isn’t. Andrew stated that one of the contributing factors to the
>>> overall delay has been his inability to work on the matter.
>>>
>>> This paragraph seems to me to state that there are other factors as
>>> well, including the need for extensive work presumably performed by other
>>> members of the committee. Further, Andrew stated that his inability to work
>>> on the matter only covers the last 2 months (September and October). Since
>>> the Tunis meeting was early in June, that leaves several other months
>>> during which even he could have been doing significant work on this.
>>>
>>> You seem so determined to find fault with the current board and Andrew
>>> in particular that you have failed to apply even the most basic of logic
>>> and mathematics to your analysis of Andrew’s message.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, Badru, you make reference to 3 days instead of 14 days.  I point
>>> out that the notice of the SGMM was published on the 20th of November 2014,
>>> for an SGMM that is scheduled for the 3rd of December.  By my calculations,
>>> 3 days would mean that the SGMM is on the 23rd of November, so you seem to
>>> have misplaced 11 days.  Hence, while you refer to a section in the bylaws
>>> that references ANNUAL general meetings, rather that SPECIAL general
>>> meetings, if you choose to conflate the two (and there is reason within the
>>> companies act why you should not do that), even under these circumstances
>>> the timelines have been met.
>>>
>>>
>>> My reference to the 3 days was to the information provided by Chair in
>>> the earlier email.  However once again this is subjective based on ones
>>> paradigm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then your reference is misplaced because as Andrew pointed out, you
>>> referenced a section of the bylaws that applies to the notice to be given
>>> of Annual General Member Meetings. If you have a correct reference in the
>>> bylaws that requires 14 days notice for the information from the chair in
>>> the earlier email, please provide a corrected reference point in the
>>> bylaws. Otherwise, please accept that you were mistaken and let’s all move
>>> on from this point.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
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