[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd November 2015

Tue Nov 24 11:20:29 UTC 2015

Dear Sunday,

"Speaking on my own capacity"

I honestly thing and most of the members will agree with me that there is
no need of wasting our energy in personalizing the debate by targeting
single members of the community. Furthermore since Lusaka 2013, AfriNIC
Board have implemented drastic measure to increase the revenue which should
not be also ignore and the result will be visible in near future.

I personally thing the success and the failure belong to all of us not to
single members (Board, community). More importantly we MUST always keep in
mind that AfriNIC is "Community Driven Organization" and one should NOT
forget the accountability of the Board to the community.

Last but not the least, for the interest of fair and transparent debate
where all members of the communities will be at the same page and have the
same understanding level and able to cross-checked every single decision
taken for the Board  will be when the Minutes of Board Meeting will be
available online otherwise Members do NOT really know who is correct or not.

Regards,
Bope

On 24 November 2015 at 17:06, Sunday Folayan <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Dear Christian,
>
> Please do not miss the point being made.
>
> I took over as Chair in November 2014. That is just 2 months to the end of
> 2014. I am responsible for the 2014 Audited Accounts no passing the buck. I
> took the flak and heat in Tunis, and with dignity, without reminding anyone
> that I was just chair for 2 months. Does that make sense now?
>
> Rewind way back to 2012. Badru took over as Chair in August 2012. He
> should take responsibility for 2012 and 2013, and not pass it.
>
> I will ignore the other usual innuendoes regarding Board vs Community.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On 24/11/2015 01:29, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I honestly think we should let the debate be open and transparent for the
> interest and the development of the organization. Furthermore I do not
> think the Board should not target single member of the community related to
> his view and opinion which could be different.
>
> I have seen a lot of contribution from different members of communities
> which I really appreciate in order to improve what need to be improve
> "there will be always room for improvement. I do thing the Board should
> accept others view and critics not targeting specific member.
>
> Finally I will advocate a respectful  open debate professional.
>
> Speaking on my own capacity
>
> Regards
> On 24 Nov 2015 6:26 am, "Sunday Folayan" <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Badru,
>
> AFRINIC History is not hidden and should not be craftily re-written in
> emails such as these.
>
> You were elected to the Board in May 2012 during AFRINIC-16 at Banjul.http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/735-afrinic-elects-new-board-members
>
> You were elected Chair of the Board in August 2012.http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/307-main-news-page
>
> The Board met f2f under your watch at AFRINIC-17 in November 2012 in
> Khartoum, Sudan. You did not inherit any budget.https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/board_resolutions_2013.pdf
>
> The AGMM in Lusaka was during AFRINIC-18 in June 2013. You had chaired
> the Board for a whole year.https://www.afrinic.net/images/images/agmm_nom_210613_2.pdf  The second
> to the last paragraph on page 3 should remind you.
>
> The AGMM in Djibouti at AfriNIC-20 in June 2014 was your second year
> running as Chair.
>
> You handed over to me during AfriNIC-21 at Mauritius in November 2014.
>
> You left the Board in June 2015 at AfriNIC-22 in Tunis, less that 6
> months ago, after being Chair for over Two years and three months.
>
> I have now Chaired the Board for exactly one Year.
>
> I still accept responsibility for your diagnosis of the pathetic level
> of mediocrity in the current Board, the above is just to set the records
> straight.
>
> Cheers.
>
> SF.
>
> On 23/11/2015 21:08, Badru Ntege wrote:
>
> Saul
>
> You obviously have a limited understanding of the history. Lusaka was my
>
> first board and the results being reported were for a budget I inherited.
> For decisions made by a previous board with the best of intentions.
>
> If you read clearly my emails which I'm sure you have not you will see
>
> that half if not the majority of your email with all due respect is
> baseless.
>
> I will thus not continue on personalisation since I do not recall any
>
> personalisation.  Please go back and read all the emails very slowly. I
> have utmost respect for the individuals but does not mean you cannot point
> out what is wrong.
>
> Your email is exactly the problem. Afrinic does not belong to any of us
>
> we will come and go and others will continue but when you think you cannot
> separate individual from the roles they do then we end up accepting
> everything for fear of hurting people's feelings.
>
> Just take your time and read all the emails please the comment.
>
> Badru Ntege
> CEO
> NFT Consult LtdWww.Nftconsult.com
>
> “Vision without execution is hallucination.”
> ― Thomas A. Edison
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Nov 2015, at 10:35 pm, Saul <saul at enetworks.co.za> <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:
>
> Badru, I can no longer refrain from commenting at your constant
>
> berating,
>
> non-constructive posts, waste of bandwidth, time and being critical of
>
> the
>
> board, community and its processes - something that you were in charge
>
> of
>
> until just short of a year ago and then still on the board until the
>
> last
>
> elections (6 months ago)- so this is something that you are very
> responsible for.
>
> You are constantly making accusations against members of the board in
>
> this
>
> public forum and with non-public knowledge and then plead NDA when asked
> for fact to backup your allegations.
>
> You are now alluding to your prowess at running a multi million dollar
> company, I refer you back to the Lusaka AGMM where AFRINIC, under your
> leadership ran at a loss and the financials were late. When questioned
> about what you were going to do to rectify the issue, the response was,
>
> we
>
> don't need to do anything different. Funny thing those financials have
> always been a sticky point recently...
>
> maybe where there is smoke there is fire, so let's stop this non-sense,
> we're IT people, like logs, facts don't lie, so lets get these current,
> correctly  audited financials and see what status AFRINIC has been left
> in.
>
> I am not interested in a slinging match, so lets keep the mails on this
> list factual and constructive
>
> Saul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>]
> Sent: 23 November 2015 05:01 PM
> To: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> <randy at psg.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
> AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd
> November 2015
>
>
> Hi Randy
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/23/15, 5:17 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> <randy at psg.com> wrote:
>
>
> :-) its because the packets are moving fantastically well, need to
> get the layer 9 to the same level.
>
> never happen.  layer nine involves all us overevolved funny monkeys.
>
> but, as one of the folk who helped get into the current hole,
>
> Another valid purely subjective view.  One would have to understand all
> the dynamics but that would be very difficult in a world of limited
> transparency thus your subjective view is based on the pre-edited
> information that you have access to.
>
> So if one really understands the causes as opposed to gueses based on a
> particular agenda we could be having additive discussions.  My emails
>
> try
>
> to be additive but if you look at the responses from the executive they
> never dissapoint at dragging the dialogue down. They have earned a
>
> record
>
> for consistency.
>
>
> i am
> always interested in your constructive suggestions on how to get out.
>
> Thank you. Just like many others I have a vested interest in the good of
> the community and will try my best.
>
>
> i am not sure niggling about micro-timing of reports is attacking the
> roots of the problem.
>
> On the contrary it is the root of the problem. It all starts from the
>
> lack
>
> of order and dedication.  We leave in a world of last minute delivery.
>
> (on
>
> this one trust me I know.)  So we are ticking boxes without focusing on
> the core.
>
>
> otoh, i do look forward to a thorough audit, governance committee,
> etc.
>
> We all do.  I hope your patience has the resilience needed for the
>
> current
>
> modus operandus.
>
>
> i am patient and i trust the current
> executive.
>
> randy
>
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