[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd November 2015

Sunday Folayan sunday.folayan at afrinic.net
Tue Nov 24 09:06:05 UTC 2015

Dear Christian,

Please do not miss the point being made.

I took over as Chair in November 2014. That is just 2 months to the end
of 2014. I am responsible for the 2014 Audited Accounts no passing the
buck. I took the flak and heat in Tunis, and with dignity, without
reminding anyone that I was just chair for 2 months. Does that make
sense now?

Rewind way back to 2012. Badru took over as Chair in August 2012. He
should take responsibility for 2012 and 2013, and not pass it.

I will ignore the other usual innuendoes regarding Board vs Community.



On 24/11/2015 01:29, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
> Dear all,
> I honestly think we should let the debate be open and transparent for the
> interest and the development of the organization. Furthermore I do not
> think the Board should not target single member of the community related to
> his view and opinion which could be different.
> I have seen a lot of contribution from different members of communities
> which I really appreciate in order to improve what need to be improve
> "there will be always room for improvement. I do thing the Board should
> accept others view and critics not targeting specific member.
> Finally I will advocate a respectful  open debate professional.
> Speaking on my own capacity
> Regards
> On 24 Nov 2015 6:26 am, "Sunday Folayan" <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> Dear Badru,
>> AFRINIC History is not hidden and should not be craftily re-written in
>> emails such as these.
>> You were elected to the Board in May 2012 during AFRINIC-16 at Banjul.
>> http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/735-afrinic-elects-new-board-members
>> You were elected Chair of the Board in August 2012.
>> http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/307-main-news-page
>> The Board met f2f under your watch at AFRINIC-17 in November 2012 in
>> Khartoum, Sudan. You did not inherit any budget.
>> https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/board_resolutions_2013.pdf
>> The AGMM in Lusaka was during AFRINIC-18 in June 2013. You had chaired
>> the Board for a whole year.
>> https://www.afrinic.net/images/images/agmm_nom_210613_2.pdf  The second
>> to the last paragraph on page 3 should remind you.
>> The AGMM in Djibouti at AfriNIC-20 in June 2014 was your second year
>> running as Chair.
>> You handed over to me during AfriNIC-21 at Mauritius in November 2014.
>> You left the Board in June 2015 at AfriNIC-22 in Tunis, less that 6
>> months ago, after being Chair for over Two years and three months.
>> I have now Chaired the Board for exactly one Year.
>> I still accept responsibility for your diagnosis of the pathetic level
>> of mediocrity in the current Board, the above is just to set the records
>> straight.
>> Cheers.
>> SF.
>> On 23/11/2015 21:08, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>> Saul
>>> You obviously have a limited understanding of the history. Lusaka was my
>> first board and the results being reported were for a budget I inherited.
>> For decisions made by a previous board with the best of intentions.
>>> If you read clearly my emails which I'm sure you have not you will see
>> that half if not the majority of your email with all due respect is
>> baseless.
>>> I will thus not continue on personalisation since I do not recall any
>> personalisation.  Please go back and read all the emails very slowly. I
>> have utmost respect for the individuals but does not mean you cannot point
>> out what is wrong.
>>> Your email is exactly the problem. Afrinic does not belong to any of us
>> we will come and go and others will continue but when you think you cannot
>> separate individual from the roles they do then we end up accepting
>> everything for fear of hurting people's feelings.
>>> Just take your time and read all the emails please the comment.
>>> Badru Ntege
>>> CEO
>>> NFT Consult Ltd
>>> Www.Nftconsult.com
>>> “Vision without execution is hallucination.”
>>> ― Thomas A. Edison
>>>> On 23 Nov 2015, at 10:35 pm, Saul <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:
>>>> Badru, I can no longer refrain from commenting at your constant
>> berating,
>>>> non-constructive posts, waste of bandwidth, time and being critical of
>> the
>>>> board, community and its processes - something that you were in charge
>> of
>>>> until just short of a year ago and then still on the board until the
>> last
>>>> elections (6 months ago)- so this is something that you are very
>>>> responsible for.
>>>> You are constantly making accusations against members of the board in
>> this
>>>> public forum and with non-public knowledge and then plead NDA when asked
>>>> for fact to backup your allegations.
>>>> You are now alluding to your prowess at running a multi million dollar
>>>> company, I refer you back to the Lusaka AGMM where AFRINIC, under your
>>>> leadership ran at a loss and the financials were late. When questioned
>>>> about what you were going to do to rectify the issue, the response was,
>> we
>>>> don't need to do anything different. Funny thing those financials have
>>>> always been a sticky point recently...
>>>> maybe where there is smoke there is fire, so let's stop this non-sense,
>>>> we're IT people, like logs, facts don't lie, so lets get these current,
>>>> correctly  audited financials and see what status AFRINIC has been left
>>>> in.
>>>> I am not interested in a slinging match, so lets keep the mails on this
>>>> list factual and constructive
>>>> Saul
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com]
>>>> Sent: 23 November 2015 05:01 PM
>>>> To: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
>>>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
>>>> AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd
>>>> November 2015
>>>> Hi Randy
>>>> On 11/23/15, 5:17 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> :-) its because the packets are moving fantastically well, need to
>>>>>> get the layer 9 to the same level.
>>>>> never happen.  layer nine involves all us overevolved funny monkeys.
>>>>> but, as one of the folk who helped get into the current hole,
>>>> Another valid purely subjective view.  One would have to understand all
>>>> the dynamics but that would be very difficult in a world of limited
>>>> transparency thus your subjective view is based on the pre-edited
>>>> information that you have access to.
>>>> So if one really understands the causes as opposed to gueses based on a
>>>> particular agenda we could be having additive discussions.  My emails
>> try
>>>> to be additive but if you look at the responses from the executive they
>>>> never dissapoint at dragging the dialogue down. They have earned a
>> record
>>>> for consistency.
>>>>> i am
>>>>> always interested in your constructive suggestions on how to get out.
>>>> Thank you. Just like many others I have a vested interest in the good of
>>>> the community and will try my best.
>>>>> i am not sure niggling about micro-timing of reports is attacking the
>>>>> roots of the problem.
>>>> On the contrary it is the root of the problem. It all starts from the
>> lack
>>>> of order and dedication.  We leave in a world of last minute delivery.
>> (on
>>>> this one trust me I know.)  So we are ticking boxes without focusing on
>>>> the core.
>>>>> otoh, i do look forward to a thorough audit, governance committee,
>>>>> etc.
>>>> We all do.  I hope your patience has the resilience needed for the
>> current
>>>> modus operandus.
>>>>> i am patient and i trust the current
>>>>> executive.
>>>>> randy
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