[AfrIPv6-Discuss] corporate apathy

Fri Oct 28 14:33:49 UTC 2016

If NRENs, Universities and similar institutions, are also funded from public budged, even if is only partially, they also MUST include the same IPv6 support as a requirement for any acquisition.

There is no excuse since several years ago: There is no cost difference among equipment with IPv6 support and without it. You just choose the best offer/vendor.

I did a quick presentation about supporting IPv6 in the public administration within the RIPE meeting panel on this topic in the cooperation WG. You can find it here:

https://ripe73.ripe.net/presentations/159-RIPE73-coop-ipv6.pdf

Also a video available:

https://ripe73.ripe.net/archives/video/1490/

Regards,
Jordi

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De: Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>
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Fecha: viernes, 28 de octubre de 2016, 13:45
Para: <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>, IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] corporate apathy

    +1

    Like Saul, I frequently experience the same sort of apathy and currently supporting NRENs to be less apathetic and help sensitise local regulators to be more proactive in these matters.  

    Is this something we can discuss so we have a common approach?  I'd also appreciate easy to read/reuse information for these evangelists to make the arguments more succinctly so grateful for any pointers

    -Omo

    On 28 October 2016 at 11:08, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

    And also … governments have the “duty of due diligence” in making sure that as technologies advance, citizens are protected.

    Customers don’t necessary know about IP at all, but governments must protect them when buying a new device, access point, router, etc., to make sure that they aren’t provided with an equipment that doesn't support the latest technology, so to avoid them to invest twice on that earlier than period of time the device must work.

    Same for governments regarding to public administration acquisitions. Those investments are done with money from the citizens, so proper IPv6 suport must be a mandatory requirement.

    Regards,
    Jordi

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    De: Sylvain Baya <abscoco at gmail.com>
    Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
    Fecha: viernes, 28 de octubre de 2016, 11:48
    Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
    Asunto: [AfrIPv6-Discuss]  corporate apathy

        Dear all, Saul,In a free world, you are free to orient your personal destinity to where you want, but when it starts to be a common destinity, your liberty becomes questionnable. We all have to think about, if we don't want to fall in the situation described by Mark. Infortunately, many organisations have theirs hown raisons [*] to not deploy IPv6, DNSSEC or to not implement any RFC or recommended practices. But are they free to impose their decision to their customers ? The customers must also be free to decide...

        Also think about this please: Without IPv6, Internet [**] is really *centralised* as Minitel [***]. That can really slow innovation, even if the minds are business-oriented today...

         Please be free to share this [*] to that guy and all those with "good raisons" to not deploy IPv6 :-)

        Regards,
        --sb.
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        [***]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel <http://wikipedia.org/wiki/minitel>

        Le mercredi 26 octobre 2016, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> a écrit :

        This guy probably needs some good training and lot of additional info.

        For example, he needs to know that the top 4 cellular providers in US already carry more than 60% IPv6 traffic (my guess is that it will be over 75% at the end of this year), so if he wants to keep going connected to Internet, he should deploy native IPv6 instead of translating or anything else.

        Saludos,
        Jordi

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        De: Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
        Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
        Fecha: miércoles, 26 de octubre de 2016, 11:36
        Para: <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
        Asunto: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] corporate apathy

            HI
            So after the last round of mails on this list, I emailed a friend of mine who I know head up the IT/Security for a company in the US asking if he makes use of v6 and if not, if he has plans to or why not and this was his response:

            “I am indeed in charge of 2 companies' IT in the US. We don't run IPv6 and my guidance is to disable IPv6 on all devices and block it on the firewall. The reasoning behind this is that IPv6 adds complexity and a possible alternate communications route with no advantage that I can see. If you can point me towards any business justification to use IPv6 internally then I'd be very interested, but I haven't been swayed by the "because it's the right thing to do" argument.”

            I guess  this is a fairly standard response. So this is the perception that we need to change.  The key being no ADVANTAGE…
            Does anyone know of any short articles that have been produced to counter this type of argument? Cases where 6to4 natting won’t work etc?

            Firstly to send to him and secondly, perhaps that is the kind of thing that we need to tackle the business world with.

            Kind Regards,
            Saul Stein
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