[afripv6-discuss] RE: afripv6-discuss Digest, Vol 76, Issue 12
Imadeldeen Ellazim Gmma Hamid
emadedeen at sudatel.sd
Sat Dec 1 08:03:29 SAST 2012
Thanks Nisha
Good morning
I am worry by taking our problem in IPV4 when totally migrate to IPV6 , the ISP suffered from blacklist now in IPV4 , after the migrate to IPV6 complete do blacklist will be uniquely or it will be like what they did now a range of IPV4?
Best regards,
Imadeldeen Ellazim Gmma Hamid
Engineer
Networks Operation Dept.
Mobile : +249120120838
emadedeen at sudatel.sd
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: IPV6 issuse (Nishal Goburdhan)
2. Re: IPV6 issuse (SM)
3. Re: IPV6 issuse (Brice ABBA)
4. A note about Yahoo (Andrew Alston)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:38:11 +0200
From: Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at ieee.org>
Subject: Re: [afripv6-discuss] IPV6 issuse
To: IPv6 in Africa <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
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On 29 Nov 2012, at 1:01 PM, Imadeldeen Ellazim Gmma Hamid <emadedeen at sudatel.sd> wrote:
> In IPV4 there is a lack of numbers so the use of private IP addresses solve this problem , and when users need to log the Internet they must share limited numbers of global IP address, and due to this sharing we cannot know exactly who is using the global IP address in a certain time. When we totally migrate to IPV6 and we know that in IPv6 we had a great numbers of IP addresses,
> 1- can we manage to a sign IPV6 to every user ?
yes.
> 2- and this IPV6 address can be like his ID ?
...for the duration of his ability to connect to that network, yes.
> 3- and when he move from town to another town in my covered network can he use the same IPV6 address ?
that's dependent on the network infrastructure, and business decisions made, on the network behind him.
the right answer is maybe. the more appropriate answer is: "probably not"
hint: because something is technically possible, doesn't mean it *should* be done...
> 4- If this user use his IPV6 address in criminal reasons , can we catch him and introduce him to judgments
again, that's dependent on the underlying network infrastructure.
in general, if you can do this now, with IPv4, you should be able to do the same with IPv6.
because it's possible to have *unique* addresses in IPv6, it's potentially easier to do this in IPv6, than in cases where you are currently NATting in IPv4.
> Now you are here to discuss how to improve Internet which leading to the development in economic while other criminal persons and companies discuss how to improve undesired software and viruses to use them against the developing. How we can stop them from doing that?
that's not really an IPv6, or technical problem... ;-)
--n
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:11:19 -0800
From: SM <sm at resistor.net>
Subject: Re: [afripv6-discuss] IPV6 issuse
To: IPv6 in Africa <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
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At 03:01 29-11-2012, Imadeldeen Ellazim Gmma Hamid wrote:
>4- If this user use his IPV6 address in criminal reasons , can
>we catch him and introduce him to judgments
You might end up having to spy on your users to determine that. The users might not like that.
Regards,
-sm
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:07:18 +0400
From: Brice ABBA <brice at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [afripv6-discuss] IPV6 issuse
To: IPv6 in Africa <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
Cc: Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at ieee.org>
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Hello Imadeldeen Ellazim
As per our previous phone call here is the place wher you can have more inputs on your IPv6 issues..
Please do find inline my inputs
On 11/29/12 3:38 PM, Nishal Goburdhan wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2012, at 1:01 PM, Imadeldeen Ellazim Gmma Hamid <emadedeen at sudatel.sd> wrote:
>
>> In IPV4 there is a lack of numbers so the use of private IP addresses solve this problem , and when users need to log the Internet they must share limited numbers of global IP address, and due to this sharing we cannot know exactly who is using the global IP address in a certain time. When we totally migrate to IPV6 and we know that in IPv6 we had a great numbers of IP addresses,
>> 1- can we manage to a sign IPV6 to every user ?
> yes.
>
>> 2- and this IPV6 address can be like his ID ?
> ...for the duration of his ability to connect to that network, yes.
According to what you want to address here IEEE had a draft that you may want to read, On this draft titled "A Multipurpose Global Passport Solution using IPv6" in this IEEE draft, since every single thing of this world can have at least an IPv6 address, why not consider this possibility to assign and add an IP to a given person... find more details here:
http://planet.infowars.com/technology/ipv6-coming-soon-to-a-global-id-card-near-you
>
>> 3- and when he move from town to another town in my covered network can he use the same IPV6 address ?
> that's dependent on the network infrastructure, and business decisions made, on the network behind him.
> the right answer is maybe. the more appropriate answer is: "probably not"
>
> hint: because something is technically possible, doesn't mean it *should* be done...
>
>
>> 4- If this user use his IPV6 address in criminal reasons , can we catch him and introduce him to judgments
> again, that's dependent on the underlying network infrastructure.
> in general, if you can do this now, with IPv4, you should be able to do the same with IPv6.
> because it's possible to have *unique* addresses in IPv6, it's potentially easier to do this in IPv6, than in cases where you are currently NATting in IPv4.
The IEEE draft above can also address this issue
>
>> Now you are here to discuss how to improve Internet which leading to the development in economic while other criminal persons and companies discuss how to improve undesired software and viruses to use them against the developing. How we can stop them from doing that?
> that's not really an IPv6, or technical problem... ;-)
Dear Ellazim,
Please join the following mailing list to learn more about Internet governance and share your views on the same.
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You should also take part in this program:
http://www.diplomacy.edu/courses/IGCBP-foundation
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:31:29 +0200
From: "Andrew Alston" <alston.networks at gmail.com>
Subject: [afripv6-discuss] A note about Yahoo
To: "'IPv6 in Africa'" <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
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Hi All,
Recently it came to our attention that Yahoo had some rather severely broken
IPv6 on the servers that .za was diverting to. NOTE: I do not know if this situation applies outside of South Africa since I'm not sure which servers Yahoo is redirecting other African users to.
Basically though, they added quad-a DNS records to all of their servers.
They then added the v6 addresses to their servers. Only. they didn't configure their webservers to actually display the pages via IPv6. So, if you browsed via IPv6 their webservers came back with a nice "This page can't be located" message. Because the IPv6 connectivity itself worked, there was also no fallback to v4.
So, we queried Yahoo via their standard support channels. and received the most bizarre response I have ever seen, that summarized said "We don't support v6 on the frontend pages yet, we aren't going to remove the quad-a's, please tell your users to use ipv4.yahoo.com"
Now, that's nothing short of insanity, especially when in our case, you're talking about telling 40 thousand+ students to use some other address to access Yahoo.
At this point I escalated the issue to other people in Yahoo who seemed to have a fair bit more clue, and I've been informed that the issue should be resolved by sometime on Monday. But this is a note to anyone using native
v6 and getting strange errors back from Yahoo, things are currently broken, and will only be fixed around Monday timeframe.
I have to say, kinda disappointed to see this from a company as large as Yahoo who did such a good job in the world v6 day in promoting v6, because this kinda thing really hurts the deployment of IPv6, it makes people scared to move ahead and it's not what we need. At the same time, to the guys I eventually ended up being able to escalate to and who were helpful and attempted to assist me immediately, my sincere thanks.
Andrew Alston
Alston Networks - Owner
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