[AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"

Mon Jun 22 14:22:45 UTC 2015

Hi Muwendwa,

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <
Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am still not in agreement with this statement:
>
> -       We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets
> including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will
> prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition
> (which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational
> communities cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever
> holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational
> communities as it is at the moment.
>
> First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets?
>

Here is a section of the proposal:

A new, separate legal entity, Post-Transition IANA (PTI), will be formed as
> an affiliate of ICANN. The existing IANA functions, administrative staff,
> and *related* *resources*, processes, data, and know-how will be legally
> transferred to PTI.
>
Trademark:
>
> [ICANN will grants PTI an* exclusive*, royalty-free, fully-paid,
> worldwide license to use the IANA trademark and all related trademarks in
> connection with PTI’s activities under the ICANN-PTI Contract.]
>
Full proposal ur: https://goo.gl/6UNbys

> Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets?
>

Actually the statement is not to disagree with transfer of IANA assets but
specifically transfer of IANA trademark. Nevertheless i think i agree that
the current statement may be a little bit confusing, so i suggest the
following edit:

"We observe that the CWG proposes to grant "exclusive" access of IANA
trademark to PTI; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that
the trademark remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN)
as its an asset for the 3 operational communities. Nevertheless we suggest
that the 3 operational communities coordinate and agree on this. Our main
interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible
to the operational communities as it is at the moment."

> I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we
> agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would
> be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational
> communities is important.
>
> Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers
> community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback
> is highly welcomed.
>

Please note that the statement we are currently working on attempts to
comment on the CWG proposal and CCWG proposal/report NOT the CRISP proposal

I hope that helps.

Regards

>
> <begin text>
>
>
> The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function
> Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and
> transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions  held
> by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from
> the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the
> performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator.
> Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's
> strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the
> Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of
> the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the
> new contract."
>
> We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose
>  arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes
> related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has
> failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible
> than litigation
>
> It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed
> Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced
> representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well
> conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a
> scorecard on the performance of the IFO.
>
> It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the
> three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use
> of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation
> that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions
> is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities.
>
> It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the
> proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations
> and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given.
> Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is
> shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that
> the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to.
>
> <end text>
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in
>> Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the
>> CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process.
>>
>> The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive.
>> We need to keep it up.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's
>> version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG
>> section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments
>> was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we
>> should not go that route.
>>
>> I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's
>> suggestion/comment and i hope that will help
>>
>> Attached is the redline version
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave at isoc-mu.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tijani,
>>>
>>> I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please
>>> feel free to amend where necessary.
>>>
>>> Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come
>>> with
>>> a recommendation.
>>> I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
>>>
>>> •       The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability
>>> to
>>> the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of
>>> the
>>> board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members
>>> will
>>> be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not
>>> solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the
>>> members
>>>
>>> •       The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability
>>> to
>>> the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance
>>> the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership
>>> model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the
>>> issue from the board to the members.
>>> •       Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in
>>> place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable
>>> to
>>> the community.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best regards
>>>
>>> Dave Kissoondoyal
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
>>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>>> Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12
>>> To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>>> Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss
>>> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS
>>> AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet
>>> uniqueidentifiers"
>>>
>>> Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
>>>
>>> I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found
>>> not
>>> too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
>>>
>>> As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we
>>> intent
>>> was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for
>>> the
>>> public interest.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Tijani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
>>> >
>>> > Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with
>>> > tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested
>>> > additions.
>>> >
>>> > • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>>> > the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability
>>> > of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN
>>> > members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership
>>> > model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue
>>> > from the board to the members Thank you and regards
>>> >
>>> > Beran Gillen
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Dear Aziz and all,
>>> > >
>>> > > May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement
>>> > before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
>>> > >
>>> > > • All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts
>>> > > as
>>> > much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be
>>> > managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a
>>> > triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect
>>> > that as much as possible.
>>> > >
>>> > > Added paragraph:
>>> > >
>>> > > • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>>> > the community. The membership model would enhance the
>>> > > accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can
>>> > > ensure
>>> > that the ICANN members will be accountable to the
>>> > > community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability
>>> > issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve
>>> > > it.
>>> > >
>>> > > • The community group that will act on behalf of the respective
>>> > community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report
>>> > should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all
>>> > SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
>>> > >
>>> > > Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the
>>> > CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far.
>>> > However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the
>>> > right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and
>>> > the best ways to empower the community using the right means and
>>> > avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence,
>>> > its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
>>> > >
>>> > > Tijani
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> [English]
>>> > >> Dear colleagues,
>>> > >> AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN
>>> > >> during
>>> > the
>>> > >> ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the
>>> > members
>>> > >> of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance
>>> > >> of Internet unique identifiers".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> You will find attached the draft statement in English (French
>>> > translation
>>> > >> is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint
>>> > >> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015.
>>> > >> Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end
>>> > >> of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before
>>> > >> printing
>>> > the
>>> > >> final version and then distribute it to the participants in the
>>> > meeting for
>>> > >> discussion, modification if any and adoption.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> [French]
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Chers collègues,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO /
>>> > AfrICANN
>>> > >> lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à
>>> > Buenos
>>> > >> Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de
>>> > vue
>>> > >> africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des
>>> > >> identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la
>>> > >> traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise
>>> > sur la
>>> > >> liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura
>>> > lieu à
>>> > >> Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le
>>> > Samedi
>>> > >> 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la
>>> > >> version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la
>>> > réunion
>>> > >> pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Best Regards
>>> > >> Aziz Hilali
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