[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"

Mon Jun 22 13:05:25 UTC 2015

Hi All,

I am still not in agreement with this statement:

-       We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets including
the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer
that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is
ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities
cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the
trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as
it is at the moment.

First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets? Who is in
disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets? I have stated here that
no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the
transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I
agree consensus between the three operational communities is important.

Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers
community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback
is highly welcomed.

<begin text>

The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function
Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and
transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions  held
by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from
the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the
performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator.
Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's
strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the
Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of
the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the
new contract."

We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose  arbitration
over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the
execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration
avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation

It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed
Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced
representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well
conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a
scorecard on the performance of the IFO.

It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three
operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of
the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that
any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is
available in perpetuity to the three operation communities.

It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the
proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations
and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given.
Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is
shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that
the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to.

<end text>

______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya

"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson

On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in
> Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the
> CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process.
>
> The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive.
> We need to keep it up.
>
> Best,
>
> Ben
>
>
> Sent from my iPad Mini
>
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's
> version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG
> section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments
> was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we
> should not go that route.
>
> I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's
> suggestion/comment and i hope that will help
>
> Attached is the redline version
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave at isoc-mu.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Tijani,
>>
>> I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please
>> feel free to amend where necessary.
>>
>> Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come
>> with
>> a recommendation.
>> I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
>>
>> •       The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>> the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of
>> the
>> board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members
>> will
>> be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not
>> solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the
>> members
>>
>> •       The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>> the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance
>> the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership
>> model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the
>> issue from the board to the members.
>> •       Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in
>> place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable
>> to
>> the community.
>>
>> Thanks and best regards
>>
>> Dave Kissoondoyal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>> Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12
>> To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>> Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss
>> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS
>> AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet
>> uniqueidentifiers"
>>
>> Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
>>
>> I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found
>> not
>> too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
>>
>> As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent
>> was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for
>> the
>> public interest.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Tijani
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
>> >
>> > Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with
>> > tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested
>> > additions.
>> >
>> > • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>> > the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability
>> > of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN
>> > members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership
>> > model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue
>> > from the board to the members Thank you and regards
>> >
>> > Beran Gillen
>> >
>> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear Aziz and all,
>> > >
>> > > May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement
>> > before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
>> > >
>> > > • All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts
>> > > as
>> > much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be
>> > managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a
>> > triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect
>> > that as much as possible.
>> > >
>> > > Added paragraph:
>> > >
>> > > • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to
>> > the community. The membership model would enhance the
>> > > accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can
>> > > ensure
>> > that the ICANN members will be accountable to the
>> > > community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability
>> > issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve
>> > > it.
>> > >
>> > > • The community group that will act on behalf of the respective
>> > community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report
>> > should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all
>> > SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
>> > >
>> > > Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the
>> > CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far.
>> > However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the
>> > right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and
>> > the best ways to empower the community using the right means and
>> > avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence,
>> > its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
>> > >
>> > > Tijani
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> [English]
>> > >> Dear colleagues,
>> > >> AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN
>> > >> during
>> > the
>> > >> ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the
>> > members
>> > >> of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance
>> > >> of Internet unique identifiers".
>> > >>
>> > >> You will find attached the draft statement in English (French
>> > translation
>> > >> is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint
>> > >> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015.
>> > >> Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end
>> > >> of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before
>> > >> printing
>> > the
>> > >> final version and then distribute it to the participants in the
>> > meeting for
>> > >> discussion, modification if any and adoption.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> [French]
>> > >>
>> > >> Chers collègues,
>> > >>
>> > >> AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO /
>> > AfrICANN
>> > >> lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à
>> > Buenos
>> > >> Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de
>> > vue
>> > >> africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des
>> > >> identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
>> > >>
>> > >> En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la
>> > >> traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise
>> > sur la
>> > >> liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura
>> > lieu à
>> > >> Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
>> > >>
>> > >> Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le
>> > Samedi
>> > >> 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la
>> > >> version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la
>> > réunion
>> > >> pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best Regards
>> > >> Aziz Hilali
>> > >> AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________
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