[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 91, Issue 38

Sun Sep 28 18:46:32 UTC 2014

No. I have not been able to find a local insurance company which can provide me a quote for such policy. Too much for the business that they really don’t understand the value. May be you can help? By the way, It is easy to obtain from a US insurance company. 

Best regards,

Victor.

From: Calvin Browne [mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za] 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:37 PM
To: ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz; AfrICANN list
Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 91, Issue 38

You've got a quote on the insurance costs? 

--Calvin

On 28 September 2014 7:37:48 PM SAST, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz <mailto:ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> > wrote:

Dear Remmy,

I 100% agree with on the fact that more awareness, communication and marketing activities are needed…But the insurance and financial requirements of the ICANN RAA is not an “non-existing” excuse for developing countries/African companies willing to become accredited registrars.

Tell me how many serious companies in Africa can easily obtain “commercial general liability insurance” of $500,000? Zero! Most of the 7 active African accredited registrars became accredited through an US or European based satellite or partner (…I’m not saying that partnership is not good)….How many serious companies in Africa can easily demonstrate the ability to procure liquid working capital of $70,000? Just to do a domain name business… Very few. But all those requirements can be easily fulfill by an US based start-up simply because this works for the US economic and insurance environments. One last thing the “commercial general liability insurance” has nothing to do with the “seriousness” of the company willing to become Accredited registrar. Experts on insurance policies can explain more…

I would end by asking one more time African’s ccTLDs to do  more efforts (Communication, marketing/publicity) to promote their business and add value to it. They should also listen to their local potential customers rather than ignoring what they think. People are willing to keep the money local but…

Happy Sunday to you all!

Best regards,

Victor.

From: africann-bounces at afrinic.net <mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net>  [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Remmy Nweke
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:47 PM
To: africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net> 
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 91, Issue 38

Dear el and others

happy Sunday,

I think the request for insurance for registrars is a just reassurance that such registrar seeking accreditation etc is serious. So, I do not see why people should see that as barrier, but the truth remains that a few registrar invest in marketing/publicity of their businesses or kind of businesses.

A good example is what one registrar in Nigeria - Upperlink did with its license; running publicity campaign. I hope that should be a lesson to others. We should stop looking for excuses where non exist.

regards

Remmy Nweke

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:49:16 -0400
From: "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz <mailto:ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> >
Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of
        African community
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        <olivierkouami at gmail.com <mailto:olivierkouami at gmail.com> >
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I don’t think so… This is coming from those who want to keep the market for themselves and keep the reseller model because it is good for their business.

Let’s break the barriers and see what will happen…

Some will say developing countries ccTLDs are not doing quite well…Yes, I agree; but the reason is simple, there are doing zero effort to promote their business.

Best regards,

Victor.

From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> ]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:40 PM
To: Olévié Kouami
Cc: africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net> ; Victor Ndonnang
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community

I think this is the point.

The insurance is being claimed as Barrier to Entry to becoming accredited as Registrar.

So far it looks as this is not the case.

el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Sep 27, 2014, at 21:48, Olévié Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com <mailto:olivierkouami at gmail.com>  <mailto:olivierkouami at gmail.com <mailto:olivierkouami at gmail.com> > > wrote:

Hi Eberhard,

Please, paying for what and to whom ?

I want to understand what you mean.

Cheers !

-Olévié-

2014-09-25 14:17 GMT+00:00 Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na>  <mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> > >:

Yes,

I am starting to do the research required before drafting a message.

It would be really helpful to find out how much African applicants have
been quoted and/or are paying.

greetings, el

on 2014-09-24, 22:49 Olévié Kouami said the following:
> Hi !
> I'm following up this debate which seem to me very interesting;
> Please, let's move forward in acting.
> Cheers !
> -Olévié-
>
>
> 2014-09-24 12:25 GMT+00:00 Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na>  <mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> >
> <mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na>  <mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> > >>:
>
>     Way ahead of you, but not ready for public consumption, yet
>
>     Never mind that Public Forum is verbal.
>
>     el
>
>     on 2014-09-24, 14:23 Victor Ndonnang said the following:
>     > Good suggestion. Can you draft the message?
>     >
>     > ************
>     > Victor Ndonnang
>     [...]

[...]

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:32:55 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> >
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of
        African community
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Fortunately what you think doesn't matter.

My research is not finished, however. And, hence, until I have the facts and figures I shall not say much about it.

ccTLDs are Registers not Registrars, and their lack of promotion of their ccTLD is the least contributory factor.

el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

> On Sep 28, 2014, at 16:49, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz <mailto:ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> > wrote:
>
> I don’t think so… This is coming from those who want to keep the market for themselves and keep the reseller model because it is good for their business.
> Let’s break the barriers and see what will happen…
> Some will say developing countries ccTLDs are not doing quite well…Yes, I agree; but the reason is simple, there are doing zero effort to promote their business.
>
> Best regards,
> Victor.
>
>
> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> ]
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:40 PM
> To: Olévié Kouami
> Cc: africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net> ; Victor Ndonnang
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
>
> I think this is the point.
>
> The insurance is being claimed as Barrier to Entry to becoming accredited as Registrar.
>
> So far it looks as this is not the case.
>
> el
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
> On Sep 27, 2014, at 21:48, Olévié Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com <mailto:olivierkouami at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Eberhard,
>
> Please, paying for what and to whom ?
> I want to understand what you mean.
> Cheers !
> -Olévié-
>
> 2014-09-25 14:17 GMT+00:00 Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> >:
> Yes,
>
> I am starting to do the research required before drafting a message.
>
> It would be really helpful to find out how much African applicants have
> been quoted and/or are paying.
>
> greetings, el
>
> on 2014-09-24, 22:49 Olévié Kouami said the following:
> > Hi !
> > I'm following up this debate which seem to me very interesting;
> > Please, let's move forward in acting.
> > Cheers !
> > -Olévié-
> >
> >
> > 2014-09-24 12:25 GMT+00:00 Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> 
> > <mailto:el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na> >>:
> >
> >     Way ahead of you, but not ready for public consumption, yet
> >
> >     Never mind that Public Forum is verbal.
> >
> >     el
> >
> >     on 2014-09-24, 14:23 Victor Ndonnang said the following:
> >     > Good suggestion. Can you draft the message?
> >     >
> >     > ************
> >     > Victor Ndonnang
> >     [...]
> [...]
>
> --
> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar)
> el at lisse.NA <mailto:el at lisse.NA>             / *     |   Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
> PO Box 8421             \     /
> Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/
>
>
>
> --
> Olévié Ayaovi Agbenyo KOUAMI
> Responsable projet CERGI-Education (http://www.cergibs.com)
> CEO de INTIC4DEV (http://www.intic4dev.org)
> SG de ESTETIC  (http://www.estetic.tg)
> Membre de ISoc (www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org>  <http://www.isoc.org/>) & du FOSSFA (
> www.fossfa.net <http://www.fossfa.net> )
> ICANN-NPOC Communications Committee Chair (http://www.icann.org/ et http://www.npoc.org/)
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