[AfrICANN-discuss] RE: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing Total Exhaustion

[Michele Neylon - Blacknight]

Olivier

You're a geek, so you'll have upgraded your equipment and your connection every chance you got
A lot of people won't have - my mother has changed ISP 2 or 3 times over the last 5 years and she's never been given new equipment .. 

M


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-----Original Message-----
From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl at gih.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:30 PM
To: el at lisse.NA; Michele Neylon - Blacknight; technical-issues at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Cc: africann at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing Total Exhaustion

Dear Eberhard,

thanks for your follow-up. I completely sympathise with the difficulty of the need to upgrade infrastructure in developing countries. Yet there are solutions out there that involve a growing used equipment market and which some local players have taken full advantage of. Well known equipment manufacturer traditional backbone infrastructure routers that are 3-4 years old are very capable of sustaining local infrastructure are reduced costs when obtained as refurbished stock. There is plenty of it about and provided it is actually refurbished (and not just "used"), it will support IPv6.
But on this occasion, slow uptake of IPv6 is not restricted to developing countries - some ISPs in the developed world do not have any interest in supporting the new addressing - resting on the premise that Carrier Grade Network Address Translation is better for them.

I agree with Michele that end user access equipment will need to be upgraded, yet I have found that with growing line transfer speeds, some of the earlier customer routers I have purchased over the years, have ended up in the recycling bin. When are we going to reach the end of the cycle for this generation of cheap customer access equipment?

Coming back to IPv6 & its impact on DNS operations, Is there a list somewhere of IPv6 DNs enabled TLDs? (ie. TLDs that have IPv6
nameservers?) At country level, what kind of upgrade costs would be associated with an IPv6 enabled Nameserver? Should DNSSEC & IPv6 be batched together as a recommended upgrade?

Kind regards,

Olivier


On 21/05/2014 13:23, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> Olivier,
>
> I have to take issue somewhat with your statement sympathy wise.
>
>
> Some ISPs, in particular in developing countries find access to 
> resources to renew their (whole) infrastructure not as easy as others.
>
> I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete infrastructure to very 
> well functioning unavailable infrastructure.
>
> Maybe this is because even though becoming rightly spoiled from 
> current bandwidth offerings, I do remember uucp/uuPC and leased lines 
> with 9600 bps :-)-O
>
> The approach must be, even if extremely difficult to implement, do 
> find ways of upgrading infrastructure in a way that doesn't break the 
> bank :-)-O.
>
> This, however, and this is where I agree with you, violently :-)-O, 
> must not serve as an excuse for us lazy Africans begging for handouts, 
> again.
>
> Please note that I have CCed the AFRICANN list :-)-O
>
> el
>
> on 2014-05-21, 11:40 Michele Neylon - Blacknight said the following:
>> Olivier
>>
>>  
>>
>> The problems are at two levels:
>>
>>  
>>
>> 1- end user equipment
>>
>> 2 - network level
>>
>>  
>>
>> The network level issues *should* be addressed by most of the bigger 
>> ISPs and telcos, especially as so many of them have been rolling out 
>> newer services like 4G, fibre etc.,
>>
>> The "end user" bit, however, is a bit thornier.  Any large ISP would 
>> have thousands of DSL modems, routers etc., that won't support IPv6 
>> and probably can't be upgraded ..
>>
>>  
>>
>> I know that in some countries ISPs have taken the lead, but 
>> unfortunately Ireland and several other countries aren't on that list
>>
>> Over here there is at present only one or two small commercial ISPs 
>> over native v6, all the others ran trials but never actually turned 
>> it on
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michele
> [...]
>> *From:*Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl at gih.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:17 AM
>> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Technical issues
>> *Subject:* Re: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News 
>> Alert
>> -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet 
>> Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing 
>> Total Exhaustion
>>
>>  
>>
>> Dear Michele,
>>
>> why?  After all, aren't those ISPs which are lagging going to be 
>> suffering more than others by the lack of IPv4 addresses?
>> Personally, I have no sympathy for ISPs that rely on an obsolete 
>> infrastructure due to their own lack of foresight.
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
> [...]