[AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"

Mon Jul 28 18:09:39 SAST 2014

Hello Hafedh,

Let me share a personal experience, there was a time when i was hunting job
and needed to build my CV. I studied hard and wrote quite a number of
certification because ofcourse where i come from, its the CV that speaks
all about you before you even get a chance to show what you are capable of
doing. I can tell you today that quite a number of the certification i had
then are not in use in my day to day activities.

That said, participation in discussions like this (as we are currently
having right now) does not require all that; you actually get
recognised,informed and educated through your consistence participation.
While i agree that it helps to gain some understanding before one can
participate meaningfully, i doubt much understanding can be achieve through
certification as much as real-life experience. So i will rather ask that we
participate no matter the level of understanding we have and as we engage
in the process we learn more.  Internet issues and decisions are time bound
and its important we make our voice known even within the limit of our
understanding, excuse of little or no understanding should not restrict us.

Speaking of emerging issue (which is actually the subject of this
discussion), i encourage this community to participate and lets at least
use the opportunity to educate ourselves.

Regards
useful url:

http://afrinic.net/en/community/iana-oversight-transition
https://www.icann.org/stewardship

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:32 PM, hafedh <hafedhyahmadi at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Seun Ojedeji,
>
> As education and skills development are of essence to the whole internet
> stockholders, including ordinary internet users, professionals, civil
> society representatives, and even govt authority decision makers,
> certification comes as a great adoption tool to speed up the growth of the
> internet governance principles and its knowledge development.  In all
> cases, certification was always conveying to consumers a sense of trust and
> credibility; it has long been a proven means of a distinctive qualification
> which provides individuals an official and public recognition of
> competencies and capability in a specific subject area. In the case of
> Internet governance, ICANN is seen at the first place to be the recognized
> institution that stamps certification, however, it’s important to
> understand that this authority of providing such certification does not
> provide licensing or legal authority to practice a profession. Note that
> the whole certification platform ( content, exams, etc ...) can be
> outsourced by a tier organization like the prometric case of many
> international technology corporation. In the formal education, as already
> mentioned, it’s important to go through govt authorities for an Internet
> Governance curriculum wins program targeting universities and engineering
> schools. Furthermore and from sustainability prospective, African countries
> need extensive training programs around internet governance principles,
> workshops, and certified courses!!! to raise the awareness, improve the
> practice and keep a continuous enhancement of the content and the
> standards, going through a train of the trainers program to maximize the
> outreach is a known best practice which requires certified trainers.  In
> conclusion, we all know, that ICANN requires a set of legal policies to own
> an axe of knowledge like the Internet Governance, …,in the other side,
>  probably, the private sector (internet academy schools) are in a better
> place than ICANN to develop such a certified content of curriculum to
> provide certification on the IG…?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:23:36 +0200
>
> From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
>
> Spot on Mamado!
>
> That seems to be one of the entry points (through formal education). That
> is why there is need to work with respective govt authorities as suggested
> earlier on....therefore credible ICT Policies may be necessary in many
> cases.
>
> Next...the publicity issue....that is why very little is known about what
> is being done....need to do more in that....
>
> Is it time to review and see how these could be amplified through the
> Strategy for Africa?
>
> Cheers
>
> Yassin
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 13:22, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Victor and ALL
>
> Talking about education; I would like to say that I cannot imagine
> nowadays training an engineer without internet governance courses. Training
> on training governance is a big issue in Africa above all in french
> speaking countries. As Kivuva said, we must focus on internet governance;
> not only at ICANN. To address this issue, I think first step must be
> introducing internet governance courses at University.
> By the way; we face a general problem of information and communication
> (press) on internet governance within African region. Access to information
> become more and more easier with mailing lists and other social network;
> but the main issue here, is informations exploitation for a better usage
> of actors and populations.
>
> Reagards!
>
> Mamadou
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:20:43 +0300
> > From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
> > To: ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz; africann at afrinic.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
> > CC:
> >
> > On empowering our comrades within the continent, we should not only
> > focus on ICANN. We should focus on the bigger picture of Internet
> > Governance, to which ICANN is a small subset. A great beginning is the
> > ISOC's Next Generation Leaders online training which is holistic,
> > giving great perspectives on where we have come from, the current
> > landscape, and all actors in the space, ICANN included. I am sure the
> > NEPAD online training will be just as enriching. An ICANN fellowship
> > would not be enough without understanding the bigger picture of IG.
> >
> > Of course the biggest winner in all this is Self Drive and Interest
> > from newcomers from Africa
> >
> > On 28/07/2014, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:
> > > +1 Seun,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are also resources and programs within ICANN focusing to educate
> and
> > > engage newcomers interesting in what ICANN does as an important part
> of the
> > > Internet and Internet Governance ecosystems. The links to those
> resources
> > > and programs are follow:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ICANN Learn
> > >
> > > http://learn.icann.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Fellowship Program
> > >
> > > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowships-2012-02-25-en
> > >
> > > The NewComer Program
> > >
> > > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/newcomers-2012-06-18-en
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ISOC had also launched recently an ELearning Platform for Internet
> > > Governance and more:
> > >
> > > http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/inforum-learn-online
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And remember, engagement is the best way to learn...
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Victor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De : africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> De
> > > la part de Seun Ojedeji
> > > Envoyé : Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:37 AM
> > > À : africann at afrinic.net
> > > Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > @Dr Yassin I had sent the message below as a pm to Hafedh, now sharing
> on
> > > the list. Perhaps it can be a response to the concern of getting more
> > > educated about ICANN.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > sent from Google nexus 4
> > > kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> > >
> > > On 26 Jul 2014 20:32, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Hafedh,
> > >
> > > Could you perhaps explain further on why you think ICANN running
> > > certification programs like CISCO et all will help improve
> understanding and
> > > participation in ICANN processes? Perhaps it will help to first
> understand
> > > the motive for certification in the first place vis the role of ICANN.
> All
> > > ICANN does is provide service and because of its strategic role on the
> > > internet, there is need to ensure that it provides its service
> efficiently.
> > > This is where accountability, participation et all comes into play; you
> > > don't need certification to participate and learn within the
> community; what
> > > you need is intentional interest to participate through getting
> involved in
> > > the community.
> > >
> > > As to outreaches, ICANN, and the region RIR are sure making effort to
> get
> > > people more people involved, nevertheless i agree that those efforts
> needs
> > > to increase. ICANN is quite large community and can be really
> challenging to
> > > understand all its processes, but it also has a great community of
> people
> > > who are willing to explain things to you and then you as an individual
> will
> > > decide which of those information to ponder upon.
> > >
> > > Internet governance has become an important imperative and i hope
> ICANN and
> > > other organisation would continue to support initiative geared towards
> > > establishing school of internet governance in the region.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > PS: Below are the urls that i mentioned in my previous mail:
> > >
> http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/nepad-call-for-applications-for-online-training-internet-governan
> > >
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/iana-oversight-transition/community-engagement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:45 PM, hafedh <hafedhyahmadi at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some insights when it comes to Internet governance trainings
> and
> > > capacity building in Africa. Although internet outreach is still a big
> issue
> > > in Africa, I see two critical outreach engines for Africans to boost
> skills
> > > development and capacity building about internet governance and the
> core
> > > values of ICANN as well as the technical skills such IPv6 and DNSSEC,
> Root
> > > Server, etc . First, a breadth engine is required to maximize the
> outreach
> > > carrying out the primary ICANN school content like the principles,
> > > definitions and all content for new comers and ordinary audiences,
> Second
> > > the depth engine which should target an upper level advanced audience
> where
> > > trainings are more in depth about internet governance such what does
> mean
> > > transparency, human rights in internet, neutrality of the net, and
> advanced
> > > level on IPv6 deployment, whta's ICANN accountability means in the
> > > transition period, etc ... I would even suggest an ICANN certification
> > > Program, a kind of international accredited institution, like CISCO,
> > > Microaoft or oracle academy!! Last and not least, when reading this
> > > discussion, I jumped on my chair cause the subject is so vibrant and
> > > relevant to reshape the future of internet governance in Africa.
> Education
> > > and training is the force of the future, I have been engaged on this
> > > subject since a while as part of my engineering concerns on internet, I
> > > have gathered a set of data, content, I shared feedbacks with some
> ICANN
> > > friends, etc .. let's get together to share thoughts and ideas, its
> > > important to reanimate such a great debate for a concrete plan or
> action
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hafedh Al yahmadi.
> > >
> > > International TIC expert
> > >
> > > DG - CIC, tunis
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 23:29:12 +0200
> > > From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com
> > > To: africann at afrinic.net
> > > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to add a little...I think that we need to have 'ICANN School' or
> > > College in that matter to educate people in Internet Governance. Any
> > > takers?
> > > There is enough misinformation in the air right now....that is why I
> would
> > > like to suggest so since the Internet nerds a specific and special
> approach
> > > to its global existence and reach at the moment.....I would not be
> > > comfortable with some suggestions since 'Trust and Truth' are a very
> hard
> > > Currency to trade on ..
> > > It's me Yassin
> > >
> > > On 25 Jul 2014 17:18, "oboh eromonsele" <oboheromon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope the ICANN is 100% international multistakeholder community ???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Warm Regards,
> > >
> > > Eromonsele Oboh
> > >
> > > +2348169445429
> > >
> > > Twitter: @am_eromz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Great video explainer: Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA
> > >
> > > http://boingboing.net/2014/07/24/great-video-explainer-vint-ce.html
> > >
> > > Simple Overview of ICANN and the IANA Transition by Vint Cerf
> > > <
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/simple_overview_of_icann_and_the_iana_transition_by_vint_cerf_animated/
> >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/simple_overview_of_icann_and_the_iana_transition_by_vint_cerf_animated/
> > >
> > > Regards!!
> > >
> > > Mamadou
> > >
> > >
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