[AfrICANN-discuss] Internet Governance session in Next AFRINIC Meeting

Kivuva Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
Thu Jan 9 08:13:30 SAST 2014 

And distributing numbers and setting up rules for the same is classical IG.

What is PDP if not a subset of IG?

Lets look for a classical definition of IG: Internet Governance is the
development and application of shared principles, norms, rules,
decision-making procedures and programs that shape the evolution and
use of the internet.

>From that definition, Afrinic has always been part of the IG process.
Lets not forget that Internet Governance is not the IGF.

On 09/01/2014, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
> AFRINIC is in charge of doling out numbers.
>
> That's it.
>
> el
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 23:56, Nahmsath Yabouri <nyabouri at nahmsath.net> wrote:
>>
>> Oh yes i stand for what i said.
>>
>> My point is we should keep in mind that people on this list are not
>> necessairly on the same level of understanding of the operation of
>> Internet organisations either in Africa or elsewhere. One thing is to say
>> this Org is in charge of Practices (say AfriNIC) and this other one (AfIGF
>> or whatever) is taking care of Policies for efficiency purpose and that
>> those two kind of organisations feedback each others and so on...
>>
>> But you were 'melting' at the same time AfriNIC funding, staffing and
>> travelling policies with IG. And you even end up suggesting that practice
>> has nothing to do/is unrelated with policy. That was my point.
>>
>> This is not really personal.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> --N
>>
>> You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about, have you?
>>
>> el
>>
>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 10:27, "nyabouri at gmail.com" <nyabouri at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It sound definetly awkward that practice has nothing to do or even
>>> unrelated to policy. This is not really specific to Internet issue. As a
>>> matter of principle Practice nurture Policy and vice-versa. For your
>>> convenience a very simple and straigthforward definition of Policy is
>>> "what we decide to do or not to do".
>>>
>>> And it is not polite at all to say on this kind of list that "people
>>> enjoy traveling on others funds". This is pure allegation without any
>>> evidence. If we want to discuss this specific issue on funding and
>>> traveling,  we better start a specific thread on that without melting it
>>> with AFRINIC and IG related event.
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>>> --N
>>>
>>> Le 7 janv. 2014 09:31, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.na> a écrit :
>>>> An Address Registry allocates and/or assigns Addresses and is not
>>>> involved in other Internet-related policy issues.
>>>>
>>>> If I had to pay for an address block and they would use my funds for
>>>> unrelated purposes I'd probably try and do something about it.  It's
>>>> already enough that they are inflating their staffing to the extent
>>>> of employing a COO.
>>>>
>>>> But then this is Africa, we like to travel...
>>>>
>>>> ...if others pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on 2014-01-07, 10:37 Kivuva said the following:
>>>> > A RIR should be in the center of all things IG. Most of the
>>>> > discussions in the IG "talkshops" end up being adopted as policy
>>>> > by various players.  Why would Afrinic want to be sidelined?
>>>> >
>>>> > And isn't the work of an Address Registry a subset of IG?
>>>> >
>>>> > On 06/01/2014, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Why would an Address Registry do an IG session during a Training
>>>> >>> Workshop?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well IS is not solely about training workshop [1].  Same with
>>>> >>> the AFRINIC meetings.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> And then a whole day?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Oh, I forgot, this is Africa, we want Talkshops instead.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not quite, while i personally would also prefer more of the
>>>> >> workshop, however it seem its in the "talkshops" that the voices
>>>> >> are heard and decisions are made.  So we need to be
>>>> >> "techi-talk-shop as much as possible.  Nevertheless i think the
>>>> >> events are usually packed with a mix and IG is not the first talk
>>>> >> show to be introduced.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers!
>>>> >> 1. http://internetsummitafrica.org/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> EL
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Jan 6, 2014, at 21:57, Hago Dafalla <dafalla at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear Seun;
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>    Yes I need IG Day in every AFRINIC Meeting.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>    Thanks
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hago Dafalla
>>>> >>> Sudan
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>   On Monday, 6 January 2014, 22:42, Seun Ojedeji
>>>> >>> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Hago Dafalla <dafalla at yahoo.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear Colleagues;
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>  I suggest to establish new session in the next AFRINIC Meeting
>>>> >>> called
>>>> >>> Internet Governance session. Please  send your opinion and confirm.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I think there was an IG session during the last AFRINIC meeting [1]
>>>> >>> . So
>>>> >>> yes it should continue and be part of not just the AFRINIC meetings
>>>> >>> but
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> IS itself; perhaps including an IG day in the Agenda (to allow for
>>>> >>> more
>>>> >>> IG
>>>> >>> sessions)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Cheers!
>>>> >>> 1.
>>>> >>> http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-19/en/agenda/programmex#day-3-25th-nov
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>      Thanks
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hago Dafalla
>>>> >>>  Sudan
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>   On Friday, 20 December 2013, 21:36, Anne-Rachel Inné <
>>>> >>> annerachel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>   Dear all,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Internet Society (ISOC) is coordinating the process leading to
>>>> >>> appointments to represent the Internet technical community in two of
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> *“Brazil
>>>> >>> Planning Committees”* and in the *“1net Steering Committee”*.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The “Brazil Planning Committees” will contribute to the preparation
>>>> >>> of a
>>>> >>> *"Global
>>>> >>> Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance"* that
>>>> >>> will
>>>> >>> be held on 23 and 24 April 2014, in Sao Paolo, Brazil.
>>>> >>>  The two major tasks of “1net Steering Committee” will be (1) to
>>>> >>> liaise
>>>> >>> with stakeholder communities and encourage participation and
>>>> >>> submission
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> productive ideas with respect to Internet governance issues; and (2)
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> steer, manage, and otherwise lead the activities of the 1net
>>>> >>> platform
>>>> >>> towards a productive understanding and possibly consensus with
>>>> >>> respect to
>>>> >>> these issues.
>>>> >>> Individuals interested in being suggested by the NomCom set up for
>>>> >>> this
>>>> >>> purpose are invited to read more about the process and the timeline
>>>> >>> here:
>>>> >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/Call1netBR-ForPublication.pdf
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The deadline for submitting expressions of interest is *10 January
>>>> >>> 2014*.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Any questions or requests for additional information can be sent
>>>> >>> to:
>>>> >>> information.itcg at gmail.com.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Useful links*:
>>>> >>> 1net: http://1net.org
>>>> >>> ISOC IG activities:
>>>> >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/internet-issues/internet-governance
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Constance Bommelaer
>>>> >>> Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
>>>> >>> The Internet Society
>>>> >>> www.isoc.org
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb:
>>>> >> http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
>>>> >> <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email:
>>>> >> <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
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>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
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