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Wed Feb 19 21:21:56 SAST 2014

There is no where to hide or an absolute protection of anything once you are on the Internet. It is just a matter of Good Will.... Is it the reason the words " Intenet Protocol" are used in the technology...? 
Well a messenger can read you mail and a Postman can delay, read or cause your letter to get lost... Taking that as an old example ...anything can happen to data and voice if one wishes...
Aluta continua!!
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Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:

Merkel's concerns are centered more on data security and protection,
those are key words that revolved around her concerns.

Although a big challenge, those concerns are most addressed through
technology. Germany seems to understand the magnitude of the problem
and how tricky it is to solve, that is why they had tried to negotiate
unsuccessfully for a "no spy" agreement with US. It is very clear that
an Euro-based network would still not be as secure as Germany expects.

On 19/02/2014, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> The subject in question goes beyond the consideration of the simple
> implementation of Internet exchange points (IXP).
>
> Few weeks ago on this mailing list and on the same subject, some demanded
> the closing of the debate, others had said it was a nonsense. And now they
> want to reduce or deflect the debate to the question of Internet exchange
> point.
>
> An IXP is not sufficient to resolve the issues addressed by Angela Merkel
> (Germany) and Rousseff (Brasil)...
>
>
> --
> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>
>
>
>
>
> Le Mercredi 19 février 2014 12h12, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> a écrit
> :
>
> Well, I speak German, and I understand Mrs Merkel to be concerned with
> national or even European (Schengen, rather) traffic to no longer being
> routed via the US and/or the UK, for that matter.
>
> I seem to understand her not having an issue with traffic to foreign
> destinations being routed through wherever the infrastructure is fastest,
> cheapest, and in particular not having issues with traffic to the US being
> routed through the US, or UK traffic through the UK, as she is not (so much)
> concerned with the internal affairs of these countries and the German
> constitution with its strong protection of privacy (even informational
> privacy) doesn't apply in these cases.
>
> I haven't read the following, but I am absolutely certain that she has no
> issues with traffic from the US, UK or foreign countries to the US, UK or
> foreign countries being routed through European infrastructure, in
> particular if German Intelligence service can deeply inspect the traffic.
>
> So, what we are talking here is nothing but Internet Exchanges. Even if it
> is clear from the language she uses that she doesn't understand the finer
> points.
>
> Though she clearly understands that there are voters who don't want their
> traffic to be read.
>
> Even former MPs and (subsequently former) Interior Ministers..
>
> el
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:02, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>
>
> What Merkel is talking about is very similar to Rousseff's a year ago.
>>
>>
>>It has been debated before that balkanising the internet is no remedy to
>> security problems and spying.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>On 18 February 2014 13:03, gandji francine <gandjif at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>+1
>>>
>>>
>>>Francine GANDJI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:25 PM, bouba <djamaab at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Interesting;
>>>
>>>We africans it is better for us to stop bickering ourselves; lets consider
>>> this possibility and above all prepare ourselves firmly on any
>>> event/future of Internet in order to exist and influence the debate
>>> instead of being followers.
>>>
>>>----
>>>Djamaa BOUBA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Le Mardi 18 février 2014 20h35, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>Let us discuss again the fragmentation of the Internet. Do not be afraid
>>> to face the reality of the future ...
>>>
>>>Where are our Internet Activists, and Fellowshippers?
>>>What are your opinions on the current and upcoming developments?
>>>
>>>Happy reading :
>>>
>>>	1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26210053
>>>	2.
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/angela_merkel_eu_internet_nsa_us/
>>>	3.
>>> http://www.france24.com/fr/20140217-angela-merkel-nsa-internet-europeen-espionnage-protection-donnees-personnelles-espionnage/
>>>Whether you want it or not, future generations will not know the Internet
>>> as it exists today. Anyway, enjoy the anarchic freedom that gives us the
>>> Internet today before things normalize.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Le Jeudi 6 février 2014 6h04, Mukom Akong T. <mukom.tamon at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5 February 2014 16:28, Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>What is this deep seated desire to close dialogues? Where does it come
>>>> from? It defies the very nature of Africans - our cultural fundamentals
>>>> to dialogue until a resolution is reached, until out hearts' content. It
>>>> violates the freedom of speech that we all subscribe to. Totally against
>>>> our being. A dialogue, any dialogue should continue until we are
>>>> satisfied. There are no gate keepers in traditional African dialogue
>>>> settings. If you wish not to participate, just play the lurker. That is
>>>> some form of expression too.
>>>
>>>
>>>+1 Ben. Defending an open Internet by not tolerating discussion about an
>>> open Internet. What an incredible demonstration on openness!!
>>>
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