<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>There is no where to hide or an absolute protection of anything once you are on the Internet. It is just a matter of Good Will.... Is it the reason the words " Intenet Protocol" are used in the technology...? <div>Well a messenger can read you mail and a Postman can delay, read or cause your letter to get lost... Taking that as an old example ...anything can happen to data and voice if one wishes...</div><div>Aluta continua!!<br><font size="2">Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div><br><br><br>Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:<br><br><br>Merkel's concerns are centered more on data security and protection,<br>those are key words that revolved around her concerns.<br><br>Although a big challenge, those concerns are most addressed through<br>technology. Germany seems to understand the magnitude of the problem<br>and how tricky it is to solve, that is why they had tried to negotiate<br>unsuccessfully for a "no spy" agreement with US. It is very clear that<br>an Euro-based network would still not be as secure as Germany expects.<br><br>On 19/02/2014, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep@yahoo.fr> wrote:<br>><br>> The subject in question goes beyond the consideration of the simple<br>> implementation of Internet exchange points (IXP).<br>><br>> Few weeks ago on this mailing list and on the same subject, some demanded<br>> the closing of the debate, others had said it was a nonsense. And now they<br>> want to reduce or deflect the debate to the question of Internet exchange<br>> point.<br>><br>> An IXP is not sufficient to resolve the issues addressed by Angela Merkel<br>> (Germany) and Rousseff (Brasil)...<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Le Mercredi 19 février 2014 12h12, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> a écrit<br>> :<br>><br>> Well, I speak German, and I understand Mrs Merkel to be concerned with<br>> national or even European (Schengen, rather) traffic to no longer being<br>> routed via the US and/or the UK, for that matter.<br>><br>> I seem to understand her not having an issue with traffic to foreign<br>> destinations being routed through wherever the infrastructure is fastest,<br>> cheapest, and in particular not having issues with traffic to the US being<br>> routed through the US, or UK traffic through the UK, as she is not (so much)<br>> concerned with the internal affairs of these countries and the German<br>> constitution with its strong protection of privacy (even informational<br>> privacy) doesn't apply in these cases.<br>><br>> I haven't read the following, but I am absolutely certain that she has no<br>> issues with traffic from the US, UK or foreign countries to the US, UK or<br>> foreign countries being routed through European infrastructure, in<br>> particular if German Intelligence service can deeply inspect the traffic.<br>><br>> So, what we are talking here is nothing but Internet Exchanges. Even if it<br>> is clear from the language she uses that she doesn't understand the finer<br>> points.<br>><br>> Though she clearly understands that there are voters who don't want their<br>> traffic to be read.<br>><br>> Even former MPs and (subsequently former) Interior Ministers..<br>><br>> el<br>><br>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br>><br>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:02, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> What Merkel is talking about is very similar to Rousseff's a year ago.<br>>><br>>><br>>>It has been debated before that balkanising the internet is no remedy to<br>>> security problems and spying.<br>>><br>>><br>>>Regards<br>>><br>>><br>>>______________________<br>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.<br>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh<br>>><br>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh<br>>><br>>><br>>>On 18 February 2014 13:03, gandji francine <gandjif@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>>><br>>>+1<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>Francine GANDJI<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:25 PM, bouba <djamaab@yahoo.fr> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>Interesting;<br>>>><br>>>>We africans it is better for us to stop bickering ourselves; lets consider<br>>>> this possibility and above all prepare ourselves firmly on any<br>>>> event/future of Internet in order to exist and influence the debate<br>>>> instead of being followers.<br>>>><br>>>>----<br>>>>Djamaa BOUBA<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>Le Mardi 18 février 2014 20h35, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep@yahoo.fr> a<br>>>> écrit :<br>>>><br>>>>Let us discuss again the fragmentation of the Internet. Do not be afraid<br>>>> to face the reality of the future ...<br>>>><br>>>>Where are our Internet Activists, and Fellowshippers?<br>>>>What are your opinions on the current and upcoming developments?<br>>>><br>>>>Happy reading :<br>>>><br>>>> 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26210053<br>>>> 2.<br>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/angela_merkel_eu_internet_nsa_us/<br>>>> 3.<br>>>> http://www.france24.com/fr/20140217-angela-merkel-nsa-internet-europeen-espionnage-protection-donnees-personnelles-espionnage/<br>>>>Whether you want it or not, future generations will not know the Internet<br>>>> as it exists today. Anyway, enjoy the anarchic freedom that gives us the<br>>>> Internet today before things normalize.<br>>>><br>>>>--<br>>>>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>Le Jeudi 6 février 2014 6h04, Mukom Akong T. <mukom.tamon@gmail.com> a<br>>>> écrit :<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>On 5 February 2014 16:28, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>What is this deep seated desire to close dialogues? Where does it come<br>>>>> from? It defies the very nature of Africans - our cultural fundamentals<br>>>>> to dialogue until a resolution is reached, until out hearts' content. It<br>>>>> violates the freedom of speech that we all subscribe to. Totally against<br>>>>> our being. A dialogue, any dialogue should continue until we are<br>>>>> satisfied. There are no gate keepers in traditional African dialogue<br>>>>> settings. If you wish not to participate, just play the lurker. That is<br>>>>> some form of expression too.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>+1 Ben. Defending an open Internet by not tolerating discussion about an<br>>>> open Internet. 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