Re: _[AfrICANN-discuss]_Fadi_Chehadé:_If_We_Fra gment_The_Internet, _'It_Will_Not_Be_The_Interne =?utf-8?Q?t=5FAs=5FWe=5FKnow=5FIt'=5F?=

Tue Feb 4 22:38:47 SAST 2014

Its good to read what Victor says in addition to what I had posted ......

We need to look at opportunities that are unique to us not to dwell on the
ever -existing Intelligence Issues - you have no where to hide - just do
good for the People of the World and let Others do their Day Jobs?!

Yassin

On 4 February 2014 22:25, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I shared this interview of Fadi Chehade on this list because I strongly
> believe in “One World, One Internet, Everybody Connected”. Thank you all
> who have been commenting it in a very open and constructive way.
>
>
>
> No nation or “Sovereign” State can really developed by building walls
> around itself. This is true in the traditional economy, This is also true
> in the digital economy as well. The history also have two good examples for
> us: The Soviet Union and China.
>
>
>
> To pretend having our own internet, we must ask yourself were the Internet
> comes from and why It is called the Internet. We are enjoying the Internet
> today because of the US, we should always have that in mind. It is true,
> the Internet is today a global and public tool but It comes from somewhere,
> from the will of a nation, the USA. The Internet is the Internet because It
> is open, because It allows us to communicate, to innovate with permission,
> to do good things but also bad things.
>
>
>
> A tool is by nature neutral, people can use it to do good and bad things.
> When bad things happen, We should blame the perpetrator and not the tool.
>
>
>
> For those willing a fragmented Internet, the can start search for another
> name because “When isn’t Open, It is not the Internet” as one of the father
> of the Internet used to said.
>
>
>
> A bad diagnostic almost lead to a bad solution. For those want wanted to
> shift the surveillance and intelligence debate to an Internet debate, I
> just want to remind them that nations States have spying on each other’s
> since centuries not just because of the Internet…
>
>
>
> Let’s do want is good for Africa and the next generations rather than
> doing what the USSR does when the telephone system was invented.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victor Ndonnang.
>
>
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> *De :* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] *De
> la part de* Dr Yassin Mshana
> *Envo**yé :* Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:50 PM
> *À :* AfrICANN list
> *Objet :* Re: _[AfrICANN-discuss]_Fadi_Chehadé:_If_We_Fra
> gment_The_Internet, _'It_Will_Not_Be_The_Interne
> =?utf-8?Q?t=5FAs=5FWe=5FKnow=5FIt'=5F?=
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> Any idea how to shelf this anti-development discussion?
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> What I see is 'empty' and 'weak' utterances with no consideration of
>  fundamentals of the 'Internet Phenomenon' for which I can happily state
> that "Africa would not have a chance to vent a word if the ICANN Policy was
> not polished about 10 Years ago"?
>
>
>
> It is a matter of  'jumping on the train and do good' not to try to lay
> new rails - What matters is, "How YOU can make a good use of the Phenomenon
> for the people of this world". Some people may abuse it  while some people
> do-good business while benefiting the global society.
>
>
>
> If one talks about the Internet one should forget the 'purposely made
> geographic borders' which were etched in before the Internet.
>
>
>
> I for One find the Internet Phenomenon the best Democratic System ever -
> save for some abuses (mainly within our African community :-(( )
>
>
>
> Can this discussion not be a cloud to cover the real burning issues in
> Africa-and-the-Internet-business such as the .africa saga?
>
>
>
> Let us sort out our home before shouting out how this are!!
>
>
>
> Its me  Yassin - at this corner
>
>
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>
> On 4 February 2014 16:26, Mukom Akong T. <mukom.tamon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion, I replied in another thread, so I am re-posting
> this to maintain the thread and discussion.
>
>
>
> In the spirit of constructive debate, Pierre, could  you paint for us a
> model of how this alternative countrinets (Internet within a country) will
> operate and how they will drive economic development? What would make it
> faster? cheaper? better? than the status quo?
>
>
>
>
>
> As to your previous message, see comments inline
>
> NSA in the U.S. and other intelligence services or espionages (Western
> countries, Chinese, ...) will eventually convince Nations /
> Sovereign State to have their own Internet.
>
>
>
> Actually I don't think so and here's why.  If you are General Keith
> Alexander (guy who runs NSA), the first logical deduction you get to make
> (if you can't, you shouldn't even have that job) is that - the PRISM
> program's success depends on having one large source of data to mine and
> gather intelligence from (the whole Internet). While from the perspective
> of 'securing e-borders', your suggestion might make sense, from the
> perspective of intelligence gathering, it doesn't and the spy agencies
> everywhere know that. The big players in this space will be the last to
> advocate for contrinets (unless of course their pockets are deep enough
> that they can have a self-sustaining one). If countrinets were viable, am
> sure France would still have its Minitel [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel] running.
>
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>
>
> Africa will lose nothing, let's not be alarmist,
>
>
>
> Why not ask the African entrepreneurs who have built global companies
> based upon the Internet what it would mean to them if a large part of the
> world could not access their service because they happen to be in an
> Internet block that is not friendly with theirs? Or actually go talk to the
> aspiring tech-entrepreneurs all over Africa trying to build Internet
> startups (I think there's one such space in Cameroon - Activespaces based
> in Buea/Douala).
>
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> Africa must understand the issues and adapt itself to survive...
>
>
>
> +1 ... and with that understanding, make its own play in its self-interest.
>
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> According to their different strategic interests, Nations / Sovereign
> States will interconnect their Internet (p2p, multilateral peering, etc ...)
>
>
>
> And so long as those strategic interest are driven by basic economic self
> interest (think trade) a boundaryless Internet is a requirement. And if you
> sell something, you want their widest market possible for it ergo, you want
> the widest boundaryless Internet to go with that ...and the ideal of that
> tedious route will be the open Internet we now have.
>
>
>
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> The wars in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Sudan, CAR, ... reinforce
> our position with regard to the future of Internet architecture.
>
>
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>
> Please could you specify  'our' here? Is this the position of the Cameroon
> IT regulator (ANTIC) and thus the gov't of Cameroon?  That would be good to
> know.
>
>
>
> And if we go down this road, will we develop our own protocols? within
> countries? and would the costs of interconnecting make global information
> easier to access?
>
>
>
> In addition, political unrest manipulated by the major world
> powers (eg, Ukraine, Thailand, etc ...) are also drawing our attention
> to the precautions for the benefit of our peoples.
>
>
>
> The Internet is a just a tool, and can be wielded every which way by the
> person using it. As a farm hand, I cut myself many times with the cutlass
> or hoe I was using, I bled and swore, I took precautions but never for a
> moment doubted that the open architecture of cutlass and hoe was
> instrumental to its affordability to millions of people like me. By all
> means, let's deal with precautions, I hardly think the benefits of a walled
> countrinet are out way the loss in value of cutting out huge chunks of the
> Internet (See Metcalf & Reed's laws on the value of a network)
>
>
>
>
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> Globalization has not only the positive effects ...
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>
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>
> I agree 100% with you here. In fact, I'll recommend the "Globalisation and
> its Discontents" by Joseph Stiglitz, former World Bank chief economist and
> Nobel laureate. Globalisation - which is well aided by an Open Internet is
> a weapon - those that master how to wield it will benefit from it, those
> that don't will suffer but they will suffer not because of the
> globalisation or the Internet, but because they have failed as persons,
> organisations, countries or continents to build the capabilities that
> enable them to produce (not just dig from the ground) and sell products and
> services to other countries  AND make money.
>
>
>
>
>
> ./shalom
>
>
>
> --
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