[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Africa report
Mamadou LO
alfamamadou at hotmail.com
Wed May 29 11:48:08 SAST 2013
Thanks for this initiative which can bring more strgengh (knowledge assimilation and sharing) in our aficann community.
To
begin, I think we really need a general link "documentation resources
center" or something like that in our africanncommunity.org website or
in an appropriate one to start organizing and store informations. A wiki
or a forum will help us post, share and validate documents before
loading to website.
Mamadou
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> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:48:04 -0400
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Update on NGPC Progress on GAC Advice
> on New gTLDs
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> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Glen,
> >
> > Thank you for the update on this. I was expecting a description of how the
> > Applicants responded to the Advice by GAC
>
>
> Here is that from a .africa applicant
>
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130518_dotconnectafrica_trust_responds_to_icann_gac_objection/
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>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
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> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 07:19:33 +0100
> From: "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang at isoc-cameroon.org>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] [africs-ig] Africa report
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> +1
> I strongly support Adiel comments and suggestion. We have to stop asking
> others to do the work that we can easily start it ourselves and maybe as
> for help later. It is true that regional or sub-regional bodies mentioned
> have money to do such work but we can start and they will join us.
>
> I'm volunteer to help start the work.
> Best regards,
> Victor.
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Good to engage Regional bodies and all to do the data collection and
> > dissemination work with certain scope. But I'm asking myself what
> > (resource) does it take for this group to setup a small DB and wiki to
> > start collecting just the data as suggested by Nenna to start with? Can
> > this community join effort in start building a simple repository like that
> > for its own usage? How much $$ do we really need? Just wondering …
> >
> > - a.
> > On 2013-05-28, at 16:51 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Colleagues,
> >>
> >> Personally I think we should start using the regional bodies, like
> >> ECOWAS, the East African Commission etc, for such kind of documentation
> >> that is really required, all these regional outfits should be able to
> >> have a focal policy unit focusing ICT and their regional ICT ecosystem
> >> to do this, then a body like NEPAD can be able to gather such
> >> information and validate it for all.
> >>
> >> I know their is a long way to go but we can start somewhere, but its the
> >> way forward I think
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Poncelet
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28 May 2013 11:36, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> +1.
> >>
> >> The research and strenous "academic" work, though, does not seem to be
> >> in line with what those organisations "especially in Africa" do.
> >> I have read 2-3 pagers but I may be wrong.
> >>
> >> On another note, ITU is more of a member-country kind of engagement
> >> still. Which basically gives little or no influence to these other
> >> "sector members"
> >>
> >> But whichever way, anybody can document and disseminate such
> >> documentation. We MUST begin somewhere..
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Nnenna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dandjinou Pierre
> >> <pdandjinou at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mawaki,
> >>
> >> You said it all ! collecting the information and documenting those
> >> relevant events as the ones Nnenna alludes to should be the focus. But
> >> this calls for resources (human and financial resources). The way some
> >> parts of the world do this is through regional organizations such as the
> >> European commission who commissioned (!!) appropriate studies and white
> >> papers.
> >>
> >> Our challenge here is how to get the Africa Union commission and other
> >> RECs interested.
> >>
> >> Pierre
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> There is a lot to be done in Africa. So one might think it is even more
> >> crucial here to bring in all segments of the society which can help
> >> improve our understanding and practice. I totally agree that academia
> >> should be invited in what we do at all levels. It doesn't matter how
> >> much you slice this, you can't avoid education, training, research
> >> without a serious loss. As recently as last year I was doing a survey in
> >> an African country and one of my respondents working in a public
> >> research agency told me once she asked to consult a document (which was
> >> not a government classified document but has to do with some development
> >> issues in one sector of activity) at another government agency, then
> >> after asking what exactly she was looking for her colleague opened the
> >> corresponding pages for her to make note of, while concealing the
> >> non-related contents. That's the mindset we're up against. In many
> >> places, it is the very notion of collecting information and making it
> >> easy to retrieve later on which is lacking. Believe it or not, in some
> >> countries ICT-related policy documents are said to exist but cannot be
> >> easily found by the public. For the medium and long-term there is a need
> >> to educate and train information specialists, librarians, people who are
> >> prepared to identify relevant data gathering opportunities and sources
> >> and people who are prepared to systematically gather and curate
> >> information, index it and make it easy to find and retrieve at any point
> >> in the future. This can only help all researchers, academic or
> >> practitioners, to do their job better as well as decision-makers, for
> >> that matter.
> >>
> >> In any case, and particularly for the short term, the best we can do is
> >> to gather raw data whenever possible, I agree with Nnenna on that
> >> (Reports are just a means to build reference repositories for such data
> >> and there may be other ways). The most important (and urgent) is to make
> >> sure the data (as per the data points she just indicated) is available
> >> somewhere for the public to access. Otherwise, how is one to debate
> >> cogently about the geopolitics of the Internet in Africa without knowing
> >> which African countries were there during relevant proceedings, which
> >> ones contributed language, what their rationale was, what the different
> >> positions among African countries are and which ones took which
> >> positions and why, etc. A handful of people may be able to find out with
> >> a reasonable time investment but most people, who might use that
> >> information for useful things that we cannot even predict, won't be able
> >> to find it. Not to mention that the more aware the public, the greater
> >> the benefits of the debate.
> >>
> >> So yes, we need to demonstrate more awareness for the necessity to
> >> collect information and systematically document what we do and relevant
> >> events, to associate academia and other researchers and work with them
> >> in order to facilitate data collection and information retrieval for
> >> research and policy analysis as well as for decision-making,
> >> policy-making and public information.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Mawaki
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> SM, all
> >> I am talking about an Africa report directly in relation to the:
> >> WCIT - World Conference on Information Technology
> >> WTPF - World Telecommunications and ICT Policy Forum
> >> WSIS+10 - World Summit of Information SOciety + 10 meetings
> >>
> >> It is not about "what worked in a country" but rather the sum total of:
> >> Which African countries contribted content
> >> In which areas/domains were African countries working/interested in
> >> Which Countries had delegations
> >> What commissions/committees of the policy rounds did they chair/work on
> >> What Ministers were present? What panels did they feature on? What
> >> content did they contribute?
> >> What engagements, what plans, what future..
> >>
> >> All of that in the framework of global Internet/ICT Policy
> >> Best
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nnenna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:28 AM, SM <sm at resistor.net> wrote:
> >> Hi Nnenna,
> >> At 00:04 28-05-2013, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:
> >> I honestly do believe that if we have an "Africa report" after each of
> >> these meetings, such will come in handy when we are planning for the
> >> future.
> >>
> >> Replicating what worked in Country X does not work well. The quality of
> >> reports are in my opinion relatively low. That might be due to research
> >> constraints. The reader would expect an Africa report to include as
> >> many countries as possible. Reports generally cover a few countries as
> >> case studies and are extrapolated from there.
> >>
> >> There isn't a breath of expertise as input; either the expertise is not
> >> there, or it is untapped, or there is lack of interest.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -sm
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> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:50:18 +0200
> From: Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [africs-ig] Africa report
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> Hello,
>
> I agree with you it takes a report for Africa. In my opinion, africa report
> should be based on national reports. It is for this reason that national
> and sub regional IGF must be some thoroughly prepare by being more
> inclusive.
> I believe also, as Mawaki and Nnenna in the path, it must appeal to
> research centers, the universities ..... But that can start in the
> exchanges has internally. KICTANet in Kenya is a good example. The more
> often and the general hanidcap is that online discussions have not yet
> mastered, in the case of Central Africa as an example.
>
> what is even more difficult, the lack of collaboration between actors from
> various sectors, the approach multicateurs concept remains poorly perceived
> by most officials and the private sector.
>
> To have an explicit and reasoned report must provide all stakeholders of
> matter has input into the report from the national to the regional in order
> to obtain a document regional exploitable because full of objective and
> verifiable information.
>
> SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
>
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>
>
>
>
> 2013/5/28 Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
>
> > All,
> >
> > There is a lot to be done in Africa. So one might think it is even more
> > crucial here to bring in all segments of the society which can help improve
> > our understanding and practice. I totally agree that academia should be
> > invited in what we do at all levels. It doesn't matter how much you slice
> > this, you can't avoid education, training, research without a serious loss.
> > As recently as last year I was doing a survey in an African country and one
> > of my respondents working in a public research agency told me once she
> > asked to consult a document (which was not a government classified document
> > but has to do with some development issues in one sector of activity) at
> > another government agency, then after asking what exactly she was looking
> > for her colleague opened the corresponding pages for her to make note of,
> > while concealing the non-related contents. That's the mindset we're up
> > against. In many places, it is the very notion of collecting information
> > and making it easy to retrieve later on which is lacking. Believe it or
> > not, in some countries ICT-related policy documents are said to exist but
> > cannot be easily found by the public. For the medium and long-term there is
> > a need to educate and train information specialists, librarians, people
> > who are prepared to identify relevant data gathering opportunities and
> > sources and people who are prepared to systematically gather and curate
> > information, index it and make it easy to find and retrieve at any point in
> > the future. This can only help all researchers, academic or practitioners,
> > to do their job better as well as decision-makers, for that matter.
> >
> > In any case, and particularly for the short term, the best we can do is to
> > gather raw data whenever possible, I agree with Nnenna on that (Reports are
> > just a means to build reference repositories for such data and there may be
> > other ways). The most important (and urgent) is to make sure the data (as
> > per the data points she just indicated) is available somewhere for the
> > public to access. Otherwise, how is one to debate cogently about the
> > geopolitics of the Internet in Africa without knowing which African
> > countries were there during relevant proceedings, which ones contributed
> > language, what their rationale was, what the different
> > positions among African countries are and which ones took which positions
> > and why, etc. A handful of people may be able to find out with a reasonable
> > time investment but most people, who might use that information for useful
> > things that we cannot even predict, won't be able to find it. Not to
> > mention that the more aware the public, the greater the benefits of the
> > debate.
> >
> > So yes, we need to demonstrate more awareness for the necessity to collect
> > information and systematically document what we do and relevant events, to
> > associate academia and other researchers and work with them in order to
> > facilitate data collection and information retrieval for research and
> > policy analysis as well as for decision-making, policy-making and public
> > information.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mawaki
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> SM, all
> >> I am talking about an Africa report directly in relation to the:
> >> WCIT - World Conference on Information Technology
> >> WTPF - World Telecommunications and ICT Policy Forum
> >> WSIS+10 - World Summit of Information SOciety + 10 meetings
> >>
> >> It is not about "what worked in a country" but rather the sum total of:
> >>
> >> 1. Which African countries contribted content
> >> 2. In which areas/domains were African countries working/interested in
> >> 3. Which Countries had delegations
> >> 4. What commissions/committees of the policy rounds did they
> >> chair/work on
> >> 5. What Ministers were present? What panels did they feature on? What
> >> content did they contribute?
> >> 6. What engagements, what plans, what future..
> >>
> >> All of that in the framework of global Internet/ICT Policy
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >>
> >> Nnenna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:28 AM, SM <sm at resistor.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Nnenna,
> >>> At 00:04 28-05-2013, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I honestly do believe that if we have an "Africa report" after each of
> >>>> these meetings, such will come in handy when we are planning for the future.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Replicating what worked in Country X does not work well. The quality of
> >>> reports are in my opinion relatively low. That might be due to research
> >>> constraints. The reader would expect an Africa report to include as many
> >>> countries as possible. Reports generally cover a few countries as case
> >>> studies and are extrapolated from there.
> >>>
> >>> There isn't a breath of expertise as input; either the expertise is not
> >>> there, or it is untapped, or there is lack of interest.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> -sm
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