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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><br><div>Thanks for this initiative which can bring more strgengh (knowledge assimilation and sharing) in our aficann community.<br>To
begin, I think we really need a general link "documentation resources
center" or something like that in our africanncommunity.org website or
in an appropriate one to start organizing and store informations. A wiki
or a forum will help us post, share and validate documents before
loading to website.<br> <br><br>Mamadou<br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:48:04 -0400<br>> From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Update on NGPC Progress on GAC Advice<br>> on New gTLDs<br>> To: AfrICANN list <africann@afrinic.net><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CACAaNxj4sNV_E1GbUp8gWkauV8JeKn4AmwPfkD6s-yzf40GixA@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Hello Glen,<br>> ><br>> > Thank you for the update on this. I was expecting a description of how the<br>> > Applicants responded to the Advice by GAC<br>> <br>> <br>> Here is that from a .africa applicant<br>> <br>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130518_dotconnectafrica_trust_responds_to_icann_gac_objection/<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Cheers,<br>> <br>> McTim<br>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 07:19:33 +0100<br>> From: "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org><br>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] [africs-ig] Africa report<br>> To: "AfrICANN list" <africann@afrinic.net><br>> Cc: AfriCS-IG <africs-ig@lists.apc.org><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <0229849084b94ab9c9ee591848d6e9ca.squirrel@isoc-cameroon.org><br>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<br>> <br>> +1<br>> I strongly support Adiel comments and suggestion. We have to stop asking<br>> others to do the work that we can easily start it ourselves and maybe as<br>> for help later. It is true that regional or sub-regional bodies mentioned<br>> have money to do such work but we can start and they will join us.<br>> <br>> I'm volunteer to help start the work.<br>> Best regards,<br>> Victor.<br>> > Hello All,<br>> ><br>> > Good to engage Regional bodies and all to do the data collection and<br>> > dissemination work with certain scope. But I'm asking myself what<br>> > (resource) does it take for this group to setup a small DB and wiki to<br>> > start collecting just the data as suggested by Nenna to start with? Can<br>> > this community join effort in start building a simple repository like that<br>> > for its own usage? How much $$ do we really need? Just wondering …<br>> ><br>> > - a.<br>> > On 2013-05-28, at 16:51 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Hello Colleagues,<br>> >><br>> >> Personally I think we should start using the regional bodies, like<br>> >> ECOWAS, the East African Commission etc, for such kind of documentation<br>> >> that is really required, all these regional outfits should be able to<br>> >> have a focal policy unit focusing ICT and their regional ICT ecosystem<br>> >> to do this, then a body like NEPAD can be able to gather such<br>> >> information and validate it for all.<br>> >><br>> >> I know their is a long way to go but we can start somewhere, but its the<br>> >> way forward I think<br>> >><br>> >> Regards<br>> >><br>> >> Poncelet<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 28 May 2013 11:36, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >> +1.<br>> >><br>> >> The research and strenous "academic" work, though, does not seem to be<br>> >> in line with what those organisations "especially in Africa" do.<br>> >> I have read 2-3 pagers but I may be wrong.<br>> >><br>> >> On another note, ITU is more of a member-country kind of engagement<br>> >> still. Which basically gives little or no influence to these other<br>> >> "sector members"<br>> >><br>> >> But whichever way, anybody can document and disseminate such<br>> >> documentation. We MUST begin somewhere..<br>> >><br>> >> Best<br>> >><br>> >> Nnenna<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dandjinou Pierre<br>> >> <pdandjinou@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >> Mawaki,<br>> >><br>> >> You said it all ! collecting the information and documenting those<br>> >> relevant events as the ones Nnenna alludes to should be the focus. But<br>> >> this calls for resources (human and financial resources). The way some<br>> >> parts of the world do this is through regional organizations such as the<br>> >> European commission who commissioned (!!) appropriate studies and white<br>> >> papers.<br>> >><br>> >> Our challenge here is how to get the Africa Union commission and other<br>> >> RECs interested.<br>> >><br>> >> Pierre<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango@gmail.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> All,<br>> >><br>> >> There is a lot to be done in Africa. So one might think it is even more<br>> >> crucial here to bring in all segments of the society which can help<br>> >> improve our understanding and practice. I totally agree that academia<br>> >> should be invited in what we do at all levels. It doesn't matter how<br>> >> much you slice this, you can't avoid education, training, research<br>> >> without a serious loss. As recently as last year I was doing a survey in<br>> >> an African country and one of my respondents working in a public<br>> >> research agency told me once she asked to consult a document (which was<br>> >> not a government classified document but has to do with some development<br>> >> issues in one sector of activity) at another government agency, then<br>> >> after asking what exactly she was looking for her colleague opened the<br>> >> corresponding pages for her to make note of, while concealing the<br>> >> non-related contents. That's the mindset we're up against. In many<br>> >> places, it is the very notion of collecting information and making it<br>> >> easy to retrieve later on which is lacking. Believe it or not, in some<br>> >> countries ICT-related policy documents are said to exist but cannot be<br>> >> easily found by the public. For the medium and long-term there is a need<br>> >> to educate and train information specialists, librarians, people who are<br>> >> prepared to identify relevant data gathering opportunities and sources<br>> >> and people who are prepared to systematically gather and curate<br>> >> information, index it and make it easy to find and retrieve at any point<br>> >> in the future. This can only help all researchers, academic or<br>> >> practitioners, to do their job better as well as decision-makers, for<br>> >> that matter.<br>> >><br>> >> In any case, and particularly for the short term, the best we can do is<br>> >> to gather raw data whenever possible, I agree with Nnenna on that<br>> >> (Reports are just a means to build reference repositories for such data<br>> >> and there may be other ways). The most important (and urgent) is to make<br>> >> sure the data (as per the data points she just indicated) is available<br>> >> somewhere for the public to access. Otherwise, how is one to debate<br>> >> cogently about the geopolitics of the Internet in Africa without knowing<br>> >> which African countries were there during relevant proceedings, which<br>> >> ones contributed language, what their rationale was, what the different<br>> >> positions among African countries are and which ones took which<br>> >> positions and why, etc. A handful of people may be able to find out with<br>> >> a reasonable time investment but most people, who might use that<br>> >> information for useful things that we cannot even predict, won't be able<br>> >> to find it. Not to mention that the more aware the public, the greater<br>> >> the benefits of the debate.<br>> >><br>> >> So yes, we need to demonstrate more awareness for the necessity to<br>> >> collect information and systematically document what we do and relevant<br>> >> events, to associate academia and other researchers and work with them<br>> >> in order to facilitate data collection and information retrieval for<br>> >> research and policy analysis as well as for decision-making,<br>> >> policy-making and public information.<br>> >><br>> >> Best,<br>> >><br>> >> Mawaki<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75@gmail.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> SM, all<br>> >> I am talking about an Africa report directly in relation to the:<br>> >> WCIT - World Conference on Information Technology<br>> >> WTPF - World Telecommunications and ICT Policy Forum<br>> >> WSIS+10 - World Summit of Information SOciety + 10 meetings<br>> >><br>> >> It is not about "what worked in a country" but rather the sum total of:<br>> >> Which African countries contribted content<br>> >> In which areas/domains were African countries working/interested in<br>> >> Which Countries had delegations<br>> >> What commissions/committees of the policy rounds did they chair/work on<br>> >> What Ministers were present? What panels did they feature on? What<br>> >> content did they contribute?<br>> >> What engagements, what plans, what future..<br>> >><br>> >> All of that in the framework of global Internet/ICT Policy<br>> >> Best<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Nnenna<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:28 AM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:<br>> >> Hi Nnenna,<br>> >> At 00:04 28-05-2013, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:<br>> >> I honestly do believe that if we have an "Africa report" after each of<br>> >> these meetings, such will come in handy when we are planning for the<br>> >> future.<br>> >><br>> >> Replicating what worked in Country X does not work well. The quality of<br>> >> reports are in my opinion relatively low. That might be due to research<br>> >> constraints. The reader would expect an Africa report to include as<br>> >> many countries as possible. Reports generally cover a few countries as<br>> >> case studies and are extrapolated from there.<br>> >><br>> >> There isn't a breath of expertise as input; either the expertise is not<br>> >> there, or it is untapped, or there is lack of interest.<br>> >><br>> >> Regards,<br>> >> -sm<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Pierre Dandjinou<br>> >> Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610<br>> >> Dakar 221 77 639 30 41<br>> >> www.scg.bj<br>> >> skype : sagbo1953<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS<br>> >> Coordinator<br>> >> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio<br>> >> MDI Road Kanifing South<br>> >> P. O. Box 421 Banjul<br>> >> The Gambia, West Africa<br>> >> Tel: (220) 4370240<br>> >> Fax:(220) 4390793<br>> >> Cell:(220) 9912508<br>> >> Skype: pons_utd<br>> >> www.ymca.gm<br>> >> www.waigf.org<br>> >> www.aficta.org<br>> >> www.itag.gm<br>> >> www.npoc.org<br>> >> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753<br>> >> www.diplointernetgovernance.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> >> AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AfrICANN mailing list<br>> > AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Victor Ndonnang<br>> ISOC Next Generation Leader<br>> ISOC Cameroon Chapter<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:50:18 +0200<br>> From: Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [africs-ig] Africa report<br>> To: AfrICANN list <africann@afrinic.net><br>> Cc: AfriCS-IG <africs-ig@lists.apc.org><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAHj_20hcMK3nTMpr7xRgB55JA5+Qfe_vZ1KfjPKp-fTtPftQdQ@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Hello,<br>> <br>> I agree with you it takes a report for Africa. In my opinion, africa report<br>> should be based on national reports. It is for this reason that national<br>> and sub regional IGF must be some thoroughly prepare by being more<br>> inclusive.<br>> I believe also, as Mawaki and Nnenna in the path, it must appeal to<br>> research centers, the universities ..... But that can start in the<br>> exchanges has internally. KICTANet in Kenya is a good example. The more<br>> often and the general hanidcap is that online discussions have not yet<br>> mastered, in the case of Central Africa as an example.<br>> <br>> what is even more difficult, the lack of collaboration between actors from<br>> various sectors, the approach multicateurs concept remains poorly perceived<br>> by most officials and the private sector.<br>> <br>> To have an explicit and reasoned report must provide all stakeholders of<br>> matter has input into the report from the national to the regional in order<br>> to obtain a document regional exploitable because full of objective and<br>> verifiable information.<br>> <br>> SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN<br>> <br>> Téléphone mobile:+243998983491<br>> email : b.schombe@gmail.com<br>> skype : b.schombe<br>> blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr<br>> Site Web : www.ticafrica.net<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> 2013/5/28 Mawaki Chango <kichango@gmail.com><br>> <br>> > All,<br>> ><br>> > There is a lot to be done in Africa. So one might think it is even more<br>> > crucial here to bring in all segments of the society which can help improve<br>> > our understanding and practice. I totally agree that academia should be<br>> > invited in what we do at all levels. It doesn't matter how much you slice<br>> > this, you can't avoid education, training, research without a serious loss.<br>> > As recently as last year I was doing a survey in an African country and one<br>> > of my respondents working in a public research agency told me once she<br>> > asked to consult a document (which was not a government classified document<br>> > but has to do with some development issues in one sector of activity) at<br>> > another government agency, then after asking what exactly she was looking<br>> > for her colleague opened the corresponding pages for her to make note of,<br>> > while concealing the non-related contents. That's the mindset we're up<br>> > against. In many places, it is the very notion of collecting information<br>> > and making it easy to retrieve later on which is lacking. Believe it or<br>> > not, in some countries ICT-related policy documents are said to exist but<br>> > cannot be easily found by the public. For the medium and long-term there is<br>> > a need to educate and train information specialists, librarians, people<br>> > who are prepared to identify relevant data gathering opportunities and<br>> > sources and people who are prepared to systematically gather and curate<br>> > information, index it and make it easy to find and retrieve at any point in<br>> > the future. This can only help all researchers, academic or practitioners,<br>> > to do their job better as well as decision-makers, for that matter.<br>> ><br>> > In any case, and particularly for the short term, the best we can do is to<br>> > gather raw data whenever possible, I agree with Nnenna on that (Reports are<br>> > just a means to build reference repositories for such data and there may be<br>> > other ways). The most important (and urgent) is to make sure the data (as<br>> > per the data points she just indicated) is available somewhere for the<br>> > public to access. Otherwise, how is one to debate cogently about the<br>> > geopolitics of the Internet in Africa without knowing which African<br>> > countries were there during relevant proceedings, which ones contributed<br>> > language, what their rationale was, what the different<br>> > positions among African countries are and which ones took which positions<br>> > and why, etc. A handful of people may be able to find out with a reasonable<br>> > time investment but most people, who might use that information for useful<br>> > things that we cannot even predict, won't be able to find it. Not to<br>> > mention that the more aware the public, the greater the benefits of the<br>> > debate.<br>> ><br>> > So yes, we need to demonstrate more awareness for the necessity to collect<br>> > information and systematically document what we do and relevant events, to<br>> > associate academia and other researchers and work with them in order to<br>> > facilitate data collection and information retrieval for research and<br>> > policy analysis as well as for decision-making, policy-making and public<br>> > information.<br>> ><br>> > Best,<br>> ><br>> > Mawaki<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75@gmail.com>wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> SM, all<br>> >> I am talking about an Africa report directly in relation to the:<br>> >> WCIT - World Conference on Information Technology<br>> >> WTPF - World Telecommunications and ICT Policy Forum<br>> >> WSIS+10 - World Summit of Information SOciety + 10 meetings<br>> >><br>> >> It is not about "what worked in a country" but rather the sum total of:<br>> >><br>> >> 1. Which African countries contribted content<br>> >> 2. In which areas/domains were African countries working/interested in<br>> >> 3. Which Countries had delegations<br>> >> 4. What commissions/committees of the policy rounds did they<br>> >> chair/work on<br>> >> 5. What Ministers were present? What panels did they feature on? What<br>> >> content did they contribute?<br>> >> 6. What engagements, what plans, what future..<br>> >><br>> >> All of that in the framework of global Internet/ICT Policy<br>> >><br>> >> Best<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Nnenna<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:28 AM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> Hi Nnenna,<br>> >>> At 00:04 28-05-2013, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>> I honestly do believe that if we have an "Africa report" after each of<br>> >>>> these meetings, such will come in handy when we are planning for the future.<br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Replicating what worked in Country X does not work well. The quality of<br>> >>> reports are in my opinion relatively low. That might be due to research<br>> >>> constraints. The reader would expect an Africa report to include as many<br>> >>> countries as possible. Reports generally cover a few countries as case<br>> >>> studies and are extrapolated from there.<br>> >>><br>> >>> There isn't a breath of expertise as input; either the expertise is not<br>> >>> there, or it is untapped, or there is lack of interest.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Regards,<br>> >>> -sm<br>> >>> ______________________________**_________________<br>> >>> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >>> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/**listinfo/africs-ig<http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig><br>> >>> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.**apc.org<africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> AfriCS-IG mailing list<br>> >> Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig<br>> >> To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe@lists.apc.org<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AfrICANN mailing list<br>> > AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> ><br>> ><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/attachments/20130529/02cddfb5/attachment.htm<br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> <br>> <br>> End of AfrICANN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 54<br>> ****************************************<br></div> </div></body>
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