[AfrICANN-discuss] Management of African ccTLDs: Panne du .td?

Thu Sep 20 08:56:13 SAST 2012

Nii, Paulos,

It definitely would be a great idea for AfTLD to update the study
annually. I understand that AfTLD will be collaborating with ISOC to do
this in a holistic manner that involves similar studies & capacity
building to address shortages identified in the studies. It's very
interesting to see the 2008 AfTLD study (conducted by Paulos) is still the
most reliable source on the state of african ccTLDs.

Regards,

Vika Mpisane | Tel: +27 11 314 0077

On 2012/09/19 5:29 PM, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:

>Paulos,
>
>This African ccTLD study (2008) is very good! Can this be updated
>annually?
>
>Nii
>
>On Sep 18, 2012, at 20:15, "Dr Paulos Nyirenda" <paulos at sdnp.org.mw>
>wrote:
>
>> 
>> I also recall that ICANN indicated that there was an emergency service
>>for IANA
>> functions, may be this is one such situation where this could have
>>kicked in. I also
>> recall that ICANN did put out an emergency 24x7 telephone number for
>>things like this.
>> 
>> Mike, we carried out a study under AFTLD to assess status of African
>>ccTLDs and you can
>> see the presentation at:
>> 
>>http://www.aftld.org/SA2008/docs/presentations/Day1/ccTLDs-in-Africa-Dr-P
>>-Nyirenda.mw-ccTLD-pub.pdf.
>> 
>> On slide 19 you will see that there are at least 5 African ccTLDs with
>>only 2
>> nameservers and at least one of those, .gw, had all nameservers on its
>>own network. I
>> hope this precarious situation has improved since that study was done
>>in 2008.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paulos
>> ==============================
>> Dr Paulos Nyirenda
>> Malawi .mw ccTLD
>> Malawi SDNP Coodinator
>> 
>> On 18 Sep 2012 at 17:57, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought that official technical contacts could more or less update
>>>the
>>> IANA database in real-time (which is the impression I got from a Kim
>>> Davies presentation a few years ago). If AfriNIC was running a
>>>secondary
>>> on their AnyCast system - this should have stopped the zone
>>>disappearing
>>> - but I see even now just the two nameservers (bow.rain.fr. and
>>> bow.intnet.td.)
>>> 
>>> Is any other African country in a similarly precarious state? Are you
>>> aware that AfriNIC can host a Secondary Anycast nameserver instance for
>>> you?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 15:16 +0100, Adamou Nacer wrote:
>>>> Hi Dr Paulos,
>>>> I have spend the whole morning discussing about this issue with the
>>>> telecommunication regulator's representatives and the manager of the
>>>> primary nameservers at sotel (national telco).
>>>> So what happens is simple.
>>>> - Sotel was in contract with France Telecom which provided the IP
>>>> addresses they were using for the .td primary servers.
>>>> - That contract was suddenly stopped and then, France Telecom got
>>>>back 
>>>> its addresses.
>>>> - In the meantime, the guys managing the .td nameservers installed
>>>>new 
>>>> nameservers (with Sotel's owned IP addresses from AfriNIC) and were
>>>> supported by AfriNIC and Afnic which host secondary servers.The
>>>>IANA's 
>>>> database update process was started but is not completed till now. So
>>>> the sudden withdrawal of France Telecom's IP addresses combined with
>>>>the 
>>>> ongoing database update operation resulted in this situation.
>>>> As a summary, the main reason of this is lack of planning.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Le 18/09/2012 11:23, Dr Paulos Nyirenda a écrit :
>>>>> We got a report of this issue at .td at the AFTLD Annual Meeting in
>>>>>Livingstone,
>>> Zambia
>>>>> in July 2012 and many of us have attempted to get in touch with .td
>>>>>without much
>>> success.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What may also be noted is that it seems that there have been not
>>>>>complaints or
>>> reports
>>>>> from within Chad. It hence seems necessary to ask whether this is a
>>>>>problem for
>>> the
>>>>> Internet community within Chad. Are there "significantly interested
>>>>>parties" in
>>> this
>>>>> issue within Chad?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have also tried to contact those that seem to have been running
>>>>>the secondary
>>> DNS
>>>>> services, not much luck there either - no one replies to the
>>>>>addresses in the SOA,
>>> even
>>>>> from servers on .fr - so why were they chosen to run secondary DNS
>>>>>services?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The FOIWG of the ccNSO is discussing what may be interpretted as
>>>>>"substantial
>>>>> misbehaviour" of a ccTLD manager and the conditions that must exist
>>>>>for them to be
>>>>> interpretted as adequate for IANA intervention as stipulated in
>>>>>RFC1591. Are we
>>> there yet
>>>>> for this case?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paulos
>>>>> ======================
>>>>> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>>>>> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>>>>> http://www.registrar.mw
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Sep 2012 at 9:21, Adamou Nacer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>>>> Le 17/09/2012 17:03, Nigel Roberts a écrit :
>>>>>>> I don't want to make this sound like a commercial (and there are
>>>>>>> others - also inside Africa - who no doubt can offer to assist as
>>>>>>> well) but just to mention we may be able to help any African ccTLDs
>>>>>>> who maybe need additional resources -- from a simple secondary
>>>>>>> nameserver right through to a complete backend registry.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Happy to be contacted at any time. Off list, probably, best.
>>>>>> In fact the problem is not only technical. I think they have support
>>>>>> from afnic. But you see, that isn't enough. I called a friend of
>>>>>>mine
>>>>>> close to that file and he promised to introduce me to SOTEL and
>>>>>>OTRT. I
>>>>>> will come back with more information on that issue as soon as
>>>>>>possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, is this mailing list the right place to get assistance on this
>>>>>> kind of issue?
>>>>>> Regards
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