[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Sat Sep 15 18:08:08 SAST 2012

Many thanks Lerato for this.

It is good to see that are now approaching the 1st step of this process,

Kind regards

Yassin

On 15 September 2012 01:32, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> +1 Dr. Yassin,
>
> and the directive or request by the CEO was not a fire-fighting order....I
> am sure it meant that Africans should consider doing that - not to form a
> Group without necessary consultations back home - this happened in Prague
> where Africans were represented - why not take the message 'home' for
> consideration? This where the issue began - I for one fail to believe that
> the CEO meant that a small Group be formed..,,??
>
> It is well known the CEO did not have any directive when he was asked to
> participate in the Prague meeting, nor did he ask for an Africa Strategy.As
> was admittedly stated by the same group before on this email list by way
> of clarification,   - we took opportunity during the meeting to suggest
> the Africa strategy and the CEO in fact asked for one person as a
> direct liaison to him and the group decided to make it more than one, thus
> the election process -  If this was what was said to us before, how come
> it is now represented as the CEO asked for strategy and or the African
> Board selected the group.   It is becoming a circus, different people
> saying different things at different times.
>
> It probing this issue of Prague further, it is now my understanding the
> Africa Strategy was suppose to be a continuation of Dakar's list of items
> that was requested by African Union to ICANN and the Sr. Officials of ICANN
> clarified to certain group that particular meeting in Prague was an AU
> meeting, which for some reason now, AU is out of the picture ( I have a
> feeling a complaint was made of AU's direct affiliation with .africa
> bid), then the musical chair winner of the new face of the Africa Strategy
> became AfriNic by default).
>
> Therefore, as I see it, not only there was an issue of selection of the
> small group, there could have been an issue as to who should own it, since
> AU is not longer there.  Hence, the new concern that should be noted now is
> the winner of these musical chair of the Africa strategy should not
> get involved in the implementation of such strategy and would have to be
> done entirely by a different team, org etc, as COI will definitively be as
> issue in the implementation.
>
> These are my thoughts in hindsight,  and one I suggest should be taken
> seriously as an input to the ICANN-ASWG.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --Lerato Ma
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> *Cc:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 4:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for this - I read it and was waiting for an acceptable
> description of this process.
> A small Objection for now:
>
> *3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
> African countries develop these last years*
>
> Some effort has bean made in this area of work in order to gain a place in
> National Priorities (wasted energy?) .....Could someone explain why this
> disjoint? Let alone having National Strategies - there are some of our
> countries without a National Policy. Why not start with that? How far did
> the ICANN Regional Bureaus/ Offices go to help in this?
>
> Well well, Points 1 & 2 need to be clarified as well - and the directive
> or request by the CEO was not a fire-fighting order....I am sure it meant
> that Africans should consider doing that - not to form a Group without
> necessary consultations back home - this happened in Prague where Africans
> were represented - why not take the message 'home' for consideration? This
> where the issue began - I for one fail to believe that the CEO meant that a
> small Group be formed..,,??
>
> After all why is this discussion taking place now? There is a homework to
> do - not only to analyse documents and information gathered.
>
> Here we go..... Africa!
>
> Cheers
>
> Yassin
>
>
> On 14 September 2012 21:47, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> Repost FYI
>
> From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> Date: September 14, 2012 8:26:58 GMT
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] ASWG outputs : Clarifications
> Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>
> Dear All,
>
> As you are taking time to go through the documents that were posted by
> the ASWG, I think these clarifications are in order, to contextualize
> what we seek to achieve as Africans participants to ICANN
>
> 1- The Africa Strategy document was a request by the incoming CEO, who
> wanted to have a special strategy for Africa;
> 2- As per the timeline that has been posted, Africans should deliver
> the outlines of the strategy by October and then ICANN will take it
> from there to develop the Africa strategy
> 3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
> African countries develop these last years
> 4-Thus, your inputs are important for the outlines to be delivered to
> ICANN in the specified timeline (end of September/early October)
> 5-Finally, this is not the end of it , as sessions have been planned
> to futher discuss the strategy in Totonto, .and also online.
>
> So, what is requested NOW is that we go through the posted documents,
> concentrate on the strategic Objectives, propose your owm priority
> list and provide further comments and recommendations if any, to help
> cover all Africans' needs in the ICANN Africa Strategy for coming
> three years..
>
> I hope this clarifies..
> Regards
> Pierre
>
> --
>
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 21:13, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oga Nii,
>
> It is pleasing to see that - I am being invited ;-) to share opinions that
> would be of benefit to us. I am afraid I do not need to be invited since I
> will always do my bets for Africa and never expected a recognition.
>
> I respectively asked a 2 questions and no credible answers - the answers
> to those two questions might be the foundation to build on i.e. How to get
> Africans engaged/involved in everything done for Africa? A big mistake was
> done by not inviting Africans in forming the Group - it is just a matter of
> principle and respect - that is why I will keep asking asking "Why the
> Rush". In addition, it would be a gesture of good  will if the 'Group' had
> called for nominations for the African Strategy W/Group - to be
> more rhetoric, maybe the name would have been changed to a "Team" instead
> of a "Group"
>
> Ownership of this important process by all Africans is as important as the
> work being done. Where has African natural Diplomacy gone?
>
> Let us be strategic in the approach to this Strategy - there should be no
> grumbles or boasting by anyone. I would like things to be done with
> concurrence and by a 'Team' not a 'Group'. We have to consider 'emotional'
> intelligence not only 'intellectual' intelligence and skills....
>
> Have a nice weekend everyone.
>
> Yassin
>
> On 14 September 2012 01:12, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> Dr Yassin,
>
> Good now we have put something we can work with and I'll like you to send
> that as input to the icann-aswg for some folk to explore
>
> Note however ICT is larger and could go too far. I am aware however some
> are looking at IGF and country/subregional /regional IGF alignment
>
> Thanks
> Nii
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 0:50, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a small advice: why dont the Group start with collecting Strategies
> from African countries - just to begin with then build from there?
> Or maybe ICT Policies if there are not enough country strategies...
>
> Then talk about African Strategy.
>
> Just a thought..
>
> Kind regards
> Yassin
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr Yassin,
>
> Oh oh....Sorry if you can't speed read :(
>
> Those who can read will do so in the next 15 days and give their frank
> inputs
>
> You have a chance to get your voice heard now but you say you need time
> read/think/analyze and 15 days is not enough?
>
> I hope you can at least read the schedule at the site and determine that
> there is in fact no rush; this is normal work schedule, IMHO and I am
> African
>
> Africans were asked for input and ASWG will make sure adequate
> professional quality input is given to improve Africa in ICANN
>
> [once again be careful as the documents and list are both public so people
> can tell if one is with it ]
>
> Dr. Yassin, come on, just read the stuff starting with the African
> ecosystem and you'll be grateful; very insightful
>
> Best regards
> Nii (chair,ASWG)
>
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 22:48, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well.....
>  What is the hurry then? It takes time to read , analyse and Think of
> Strategies thoroughly.
>
> How many strategies have failed due to rushing??
>
> Where is the pressure to rush this Strategy coming from? OR is there a
> promise that something will be done for Africa for free?? Nothing is Free
> so that guess is out.
> Please , please, let us not rush - save the energy now.
> I have nothing to add apart from refusing to be rushed especially when
> fundamental things were not done properly such as to bring all Africans to
> the table through consultations- one should not ignore peoples voice
> however clever an idea can be. People have to accept it. Democrazy?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yassin
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Yassin,
>
> The place to send comments is icann-aswg at afrinic.net
>
> Regarding your post here however note these.
>
> The list of issues are only in the SWOTs
>
> The strategic objectives are clearly stated there alongside ICANN's own
> strategic objectives. Did you miss them, I know there is a lot of stuff
> there;-)
>
> So if you did not see them go read again as there is no 'half cooked
> content' there. Infact they tell you which ICANN strategic objective
> resulted in which African strategy, what are related projects and what
> measures
>
> [be careful as the documents are on a public site so everyone can confirm
> what you have missed]
>
> Perhaps you need to take your time and study them carefully and not be so
> quick
>
> Your contribution as an African in the community is to apply your
> 'powerful thinking' and weight in on the priorities on the objectives
>
> Which objectives are your priority?
>
> If you can't  answer this specifically then you need to put a little more
> effort
>
> Its better we focus and get the hard job done; if more time is needed it
> will be  ICANN's decision thereafter. In the meantime please lets not try
> to stop people from working for community
>
> Thanks and regards
> Nii (as chairman ASWG)
>
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 17:57, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow...I read what has been published. The content is very good to read but
> what remains is to extract a Strategies - that needs African Thinking and
> researching not just a List of issues. That is its half-cooked contentwise.
> In addition it is half-cooked if Africans claim to disown the ASWG?
> Ignoring this 4th Dimension of issues is to create a gap.
> Why rush to Toronto now? That is the avoided Question .
> Did Africans demanded for this rush cummulatively?
> Well done!!
> Yassin
>
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
>
> ...and you had studied the documents?
>
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
> We are all praying for Africa...
>
> --
> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
> IT Engineer / ANTIC
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> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
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>    ------------------------------
> *De :* Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> *À :* Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>; "africann at afrinic.net" <
> africann at afrinic.net>
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 9h52
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>
> You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is 'half
> cooked strategy'
>
> I pray for Africa
> Nii
>
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
> I fully share the proposal of Yassin.
>
> --
> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
> IT Engineer / ANTIC
> Web : http://www.antic.cm
> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> *À :* Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; Katim S. Touray <kaamt at yahoo.com>; "
> africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>
> Dear fellow Africans,
> It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no foundation)
> if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto.
> My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a round of
> consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was not loud
> enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on. Rushing
> to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for
> Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed
> properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing
> board by initiating a process to for a more inclusive Working Group.
> It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to consult and
> form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it appears. Get it
> right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.
>
> Kind regards
> Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)
>
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Katim-
>
> In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important
> question has been mingled with the DCA issue.
>
>
> You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the same time
> call it "unfortunate".   What is unfortunate about an important question
> you raised that DCA also raised?   Is it not DCA that first raised the
> issue you now call "important "on this list as well as formally in ICANN?
>  or is anything raised by DCA becomes nullified and unacceptable by a
> certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy by another voice
> outside of DCA?   I am a bit perturbed by the choice of language.
>
> If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us, please
> let us not continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at the same
> time agreeing with the issues it raises.
>
>
>
>
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