Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] The Google campaign – An ITU view

Fri Nov 30 10:05:32 SAST 2012

The whole statement from you was an attempt to malign another which I find uncalled for and unproductive. No one builds common understanding by this approach

I do not engage on such.....

On Nov 29, 2012, at 23:54, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oga Nii, 
> 
> Please explain what you wish to say...short responses such as that may leave us colleagues make up what you are thinking - and may get it wrong (totally). I for one would not mind reading an opinion in full - not in  "two word sentences" as I can not read your mind - please.
> 
> I thought we stopped that kind of responses since we need to build a common understanding?  It is ok in the Army where Commanders give Orders - not in this forum please. 
> 
> Who is accusing who for what, how and why? Is it true or not and why so? - that kind of thing. Consider below as an example:
> 
> I have repeatedly stated that there have been lies, behind the scene activities and misrepresentations in this <.africa> scramble - evidence is out there - the way a Group for Strategy for Africa was formed and a series of other actions without wide consultations say it all - let alone dragging politicians into ICANN process and holding impromptu meetings and to 'take advantage of the opportunity' - all that constitute to abuse of influential positions individuals have been trusted to serve in. There is nothing like "quick fixing" when it comes to global issues which concern a region (Africa) - why has there been a rush? It is not the case of grabbing issues and running away with - there is almost a Billion? Africans who may be affected by a unilateral decisions by small self-selected Groups who speak for Africa. I for one fail to accept that - sad.
> 
> I think our relative poverty [since we believe we are poor (but with vast resources)] has made some of fellow Africans comfortable to abuse the positions and capacities they happen to serve in. That is why we have this mess to deal with. Ignorance is very expensive position to be in - why? Because some 'clever' individuals will thrive on that - if not, why not consult widely on issues concerning us all? 
> 
> BTW I am addressing this to us all who can access and read this email - there are millions who can not -let us think about that. Sadly we can rumble and push-and-pull each other ONLINE because we have the opportunity - mostly not us picking the bill - some other organisation pays for it - including global travels (I know that I have been there - with ICANN and some NGOs) - can we try to be truthfully representatives of Africa Region for once? 
> 
> What I would like to hear is about the massive discrediting of DCA to benefit .ZA application for <.africa> - any truthful stories please? Why not the process go ahead and competition be fair? Why involve Governments and Regional Structures more that what was agreed as a policy of ICANN? Why atatck individuals  following the gTLD applications? Why Early Warning by a Constituent of ICANN become a big issue? Mind you the applicants have invested funds not words in the process - therefore expect fair competition - not what we have been doing fighting on the Ring Side by asking for Government's interventions - Guidelines have stipulated that. 
> 
> Let us stop the culture of rumors and gossip - be open as I have just done.
> 
> Need I say more on this?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Yassin 
> 
> On 29 November 2012 22:05, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> Please, you are just being accusatory ...
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 21:15, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nii,
>> 
>> There is no issue to keep you awake..yes I came into the global scene through nomination in Dec 2004 and that is all and have since been keen to join in to see <.africa> becoming a reality. me being as a Beneficiary and User - not in the business.of making money but in the policy formulation.
>> 
>> What has poisoned .africa is as you know very well is when individual benefit became a priority - and for free or through negative influence and to the large extent with lies! The poison is ego and money - that is what all the arguments and unfair fight is for. This has gone too far away from the fair competition in business - I believe there is evidence for this based on the way the battle (not competition) has been going.
>> 
>> May I state that I do not intend Kalvin or anyone else who does not know me well label me since I believe that what I am doinfd and standing for is fairness without favour.  
>> 
>> Lastly, what I have seen is a number of Conflicts of Interest in the air and I do not accept groupings within Africa as it has shamefully happened. My support to DCA business model is there since it does not include or use political space that is taken advantage of such as when AUC was dragged into Internet business activity as a way of discrediting DCA. I am sad to say that, that is a conflict - we should have let ICANN process go ahead unhindered.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Yassin
>> (for Africa) 
>> 
>> On 29 November 2012 20:42, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> ...but what is your issue. FYI there were things happening on .africa well beyond 2004/5 for a fact even after folks learned about it in 2007 :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 19:07, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well well... At least Kalvin has labelled my opinion as a Strat Adviser for DCA....Is it news? that has been the case before the conception of the .africa business idea which has now caused untasty discussions. 
>>> Its good one wakes up to the fact now after forgeting what was happening since 2004/05.
>>> Good stuff!
>>> Cheers
>>> Yassin
>>> [Its easier to be simple]
>>> 
>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/11/2012 00:39, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
>>> > On Nov 28, 2012, at 21:06, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> After all, governments do not engage in business they regulate and collect Tax. Having said that, my conclusion is ITU = Governments and ICANN = Internet constituents. Big mistake is to mix the two as it will soon happen if we hide behind either to push any agenda.
>>> >>
>>> > ...I don't understand the abstract mathematics in this formula :(_______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Nii - decoding instructions at 
>>> http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/about/global-strategic-advisory-leadership-group/
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> --Calvin
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