[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 50
Bope Domilongo Christian
christianbope at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 12:48:39 SAST 2012
Dear
This is my first time to add my voice to other , i support Badru
proposition , we have to work as a team ''one Team , One Goal '' to reach
our target to avoid wasting time to turn around without solution or clear
proposition.
Best Regards
Chrsitian Bope
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>wrote:
> Yassin
>
> Though I get your point we also have to be aware that the world will not
> sit around and wait for us Africans to get our act together making sure
> that everyone is consulted. The use of technology and the array of
> discussion lists around means that there is wide indirect consultation.
> The fact that we are discussing your concerns on a list viewed by
> thousands is testament to that fact.
>
> We need to embrace the means we have and also be proactive. The members
> at ICANN 44 were proactive and seized the opportunity. They then used the
> means necessary to align the opportunity by widening the ad-hoc team
> membership and now seeking community input which is a journey to
> normalisation.
>
> We are in a process so I think we need to be appreciative to those who
> seize the opportunity and then be supportive in guiding them through
> dialogue to achieve a win-win solution.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
> Badru Ntege
> CEO
> NFT Consult Ltd
> Www.Nftconsult.com
>
> "Vision without execution is hallucination."
> -- Thomas A. Edison
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2012, at 01:17, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hii..
> Thank you for the explanation which made it clear that not all the
> information is shared widely before, during, and after any Africans
> Meetings?!! That is against the guidelines... There was no reason to rush
> in response to CEO's directive the way it was done.... There were time to
> flash an email to request for Inputs then... I wonder why that was not
> done? Was this shared within participants? The list of participants is
> available...
>
> What made me raise all this is a simple fact that, what are we doing if
> such important information could not be shared in Good time when ICANN mtg
> was going on?
> If it was not possible then, will mobile phone survey work?
> My suggestion would be to inform the ICANN CEO that a proper consultation
> need to be made and report at appropriate time - could be after Toronto mtg
> since the process takes time (and the WG was self selected as it is obvious
> now therefore the information would not represent opinions from all
> Africans concerned)
>
> Will that email to the CEO made public please? Thank you.
> The meaning for all this is to paint the true picture of our participation
> and representation at ICANN mtgs and to absolve our interactions with ICANN
> from political organisations.
> That is all I have for now on this issue.
> Kind regards
> Yassin(always for Africa!)
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Yassin, Baudouin and Barrack!
>
> Thanks for the feedback on the questionnaires. Your different points
> suggest there is a flaw in the way we communicate within this African Icann
> community! If the minutes of the African meetings in Prague were circulated
> on the different lists, you probably would have noticed there is no
> exclusion whatesoever,nor any highjacking on representing Africa.
>
> I then hope the organizers of the 'African meetings at ICANN 44 in Prague
> will provide minutes and other detailed information.Btw, a special list was
> set up during the conference and I am copying this to it..
>
> I can only state that African participants to Icann were invited to a
> meeting with Icann Board and the incoming CEO. Those who could make it to
> the meeting did it, and were informed by the new CEO that he is keen to
> assist, and that an Africa specific strategy was needed by Next Icann
> meeting in Toronto in October. Participants then resolved to form a working
> group and three people were unanimously nominated..Tarek, Nii and
> myself..Then considerations on gender balance as well as regional
> representation were floated..with the addition of Maimouna Diop and Palesa
> Legoze..and still waiting for regional representatives to join..
>
> But these are our local politics I believe and meanwhile, the group has to
> deliver a draft Icann Africa Strategy by October. Hence the questionnaires.
>
> Additional means for collecting community expressions and needs including
> a web based survey and Mobile telephony,are being contemplated .Also, the
> questionnaires will be translated into french to provide further outreach
> and ease to our non English speaking community.
>
> I hope I have clarified and have given you additional reasons for filling
> out the questionnaires.
> Best regards
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Baudouin Schombe <
> baudouin.schombe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am amazed every time we stay in the logic of exclusion to be a
>> nomencltura. It's good busness.
>>
>> Why, if necessary, establish a strategic group of ICANN for Africa without
>> including ALS?
>>
>> I support the position of largment Yassin.
>>
>> Baudouin
>>
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>>> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Questionnaires on Icann's Africa
>>> Strategic plan
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>>> My dear Brothers and Sisters,(can some one translate this liberally to
>>> other languages please? - I could have written in Swahili..)
>>>
>>> I am pleased to receive the solicitation for input to the Africa
>>> Strategic
>>> Plan. To me it is well over due - we have had NEPAD etc for this and that
>>> in the past.
>>>
>>> All in all, will all good intentions this is a positive move - I do not
>>> means that previous initiatives have failed but there seems to be a
>>> duplication in this initiative - ICANN had established Regional Focal
>>> Office at Policy level - is that history now?
>>>
>>> My problem comes to this:
>>>
>>> *>"The Working Group on Icann's strategy for Africa, which was
>>> established
>>> in Prague at ICANN 44 ....", <*
>>>
>>> How was the Working Group constituted? and how did the idea come up? To
>>> say
>>> the less, Not all Africans were at ICANN 44 meeting - I am sure I was
>>> not
>>> there - it seems that the culture of' self-selection' has become a norm
>>> or
>>> has overcome us Africans? At lease there should have been a 'Selection
>>> Procedure' for the Working Group - it is not a matter of Africans was
>>> there in Prague who constitute all African voice or does it? I object to
>>> this if I may...
>>>
>>> It is good to read that the WG....
>>>
>>> *"... is administering the attached questionnaire as an additional meAs
>>> you
>>> probably know, the Working Group is expected to deliver its preliminary
>>> findings and report outlines prior to ICANN 45 in Toronto"*
>>>
>>> This sounds very good for a 'nominated Working Group' but here comes a
>>> point where the issue of selecting become a major concern in terms of
>>> representation...
>>>
>>> "....* collecting Africans' needs with regards to Icann's specific roles
>>> in
>>> Africa, and africa's overall contribution to ICANN."*
>>> * *
>>> We need to have a representative and inclusive process for this
>>> procedure -
>>> I could respond to the questionnaire because I accessed it. That does not
>>> mean that all Africans have access to it - the outreach of Mobile
>>> Telephony is unique in Africa - was this message sent out through that
>>> media? At least I did not receive one - that is why I am raising this
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Lastly, it not about what ICANN should do to Africa - it should be what
>>> should Africans to for ICANN since the ICANN we know needs Africa to be
>>> more actively represented!
>>>
>>> I wish to stop by asking us to avoid representing Africa without Africans
>>> knowing about it.
>>>
>>> In that case, could the Questionnaire be posted widely including mobile
>>> phone messages please?
>>>
>>> I mean good for all, and please note that I am a supporter of all
>>> positive
>>> initiatives for Africa!!
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Yassin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 July 2012 14:03, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Colleagues,
>>> >
>>> > The Working Group on Icann's strategy for Africa, which was
>>> established in
>>> > Prague at ICANN 44 , is administering the attached questionnaire as an
>>> > additional means for collecting Africans' needs with regards to Icann's
>>> > specific roles in Africa, and africa's overall contribution to ICANN.
>>> >
>>> > As you probably know, the Working Group is expected to deliver its
>>> > preliminary findings and report outlines prior to ICANN 45 in Toronto.
>>> >
>>> > We would be therefore grateful if you could submit your filled out
>>> > questionnaire by August 5th to ICANN-ASWG at Afrinic.net
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks in advance for your contributions .
>>> >
>>> > Warm regards
>>> >
>>> > Maimouna Diop Diagne
>>> > Palesa Legoze
>>> > Nii Quaynor
>>> > Pierre Dandjinou
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