[AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate

Sun Dec 23 16:59:09 UTC 2012

No you don't want to answer because you can't.

As well as the question when you knew of the Sophiagate...

el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:51, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again Nigel,
> 
> I am happy to refer you to Google or Wikipedia for such public information- not for me to answer you .... and at what official capacity?
> 
> Thats what I decided to call "High Class Rumouring" I do not wish to answer such legal questions since ICANN has all information and the Processes should be respected. 
> 
> Enjoy the Season one and all.. Yassin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> 
> 
> 
> Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not oops! I KNOW Uniforum is not a trust. That's exactly the point I was 
> making.
> 
> So its ownership, and its nonprofit nature are all public. Anything I 
> wanted to know, I could look up on the official register. (Actually, if 
> I cared I'd probably just ask my goddaughter's father, but that's not 
> the point).
> 
> A trust however, has trustees appointed by a trust deed (express trusts) 
> or by operation of law (implied or constructive trusts)
> 
> So please answer my questions ** which are about the DCA Trust **
> .
> >>     Who are the trustees?
> >>     What is the proper law of the trust?
> >>     Who are the beneficial owners?
> 
> Transparency requires it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/12/12 14:22, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
> > Thank you Nigel, but will you please read and analyse before jumping in
> > like that? Oops!
> > Of course, Uniforum is not a Trust -
> > Seasons greetings
> > Yassin
> >
> > On 21 December 2012 14:11, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net
> > <mailto:nigel at channelisles.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Uniforum is not a trust.
> >
> >     Its corporate ownership is a matter of public record under the law
> >     of the Republic of South Africa and can be looked up on the public
> >     record.
> >
> >     Trusts are not "in the public domain". In fact in my jurisdiction,
> >     trusts are marketed precisely because of their secrecy.
> >
> >     So, please, the following questions arise, in line with ICANN
> >     Transparency Principles ..
> >
> >     Who are the trustees?
> >     What is the proper law of the trust?
> >     Who are the beneficial owners?
> >
> >     These questions must be answered, and in public, as otherwise DCA
> >     Trust will autotmatically fail in its bid due to ICANN's
> >     requirements to do due diligence on crime, terrorism and
> >     moneylaundering.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 21/12/12 14:03, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Calvin. It seems that you want to gossip..? in that case may
> >         I ask
> >         you, "Who is the beneficiary of Uniforum and who applied for
> >         .africa?
> >
> >         In addition who is the 'community' you refer to who want to know
> >         about
> >         the beneficiaries of DCA Trust which is not-for-profit?  Is or
> >         when did
> >         the DCA Trust get out of the 'community' or maybe it is only
> >         individual
> >         perceptions....maybe?
> >
> >         That is the kind of small talk I do not wish to engage in often
> >         since
> >         there information is in public domain and I would not like to
> >         put my own
> >         words in explaining.
> >         Seasons Greetings
> >         Yassin
> >
> >         On 21 December 2012 05:11, Calvin Browne
> >         <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>
> >         <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.__alt.za
> >         <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>>> wrote:
> >
> >              On 21/12/2012 00:27, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
> >
> >                  <SNIP>
> >
> >
> >                  The DCA Trust is not only for .africa gTLD Application
> >         as it
> >                  seems to be deemed -  there have been other
> >           undertakings by DCA
> >                  that are being overlooked.
> >                  <SNIP>
> >
> >
> >              Please share the trust deeds with the community so that the
> >              community can see exactly who the beneficiaries of the
> >         trust are.
> >
> >              Sincerely
> >
> >              --Calvin Browne
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