[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Forget what happened and Move on
Dessalegn Mequanint
dessalegn_m at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 7 16:52:59 SAST 2012
It is good to stop blowing up things out of proportion. Simply put, someone has made a mistake but it would be nice not to dwell too much on it.
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:18:59 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate
To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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I alwasys wonder when people become defensive...
el
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On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:08, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
> Nothing to do with you. The reference was to /'Lerato'/ voting.
>
> It's clearly unacceptable for someome to pretend to be a different person in order to promote the interests of a real person. I'm surprised and actually shocked that some people can't see that.
>
> As has been pointed out, the consequences of that sort of behaviour can be significant.
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29
>
> As an excuse "Lerato" said she thought emails sent under her real identity had been blocked. That sounds like an allegation of censorship to me. But she was never blocked from this list. From all evidence so far, it just looks like she at some time she just forgot which of her email addresses was subscribed and sent a message from the wrong one. All you have to do when you get such a bounce message is to resend your message with the right FROM: line to correspond with the email address that you signed up with.
>
> Creating a completely fictitious persona in order to promote DCA's application on the list is misbehaving in my book.
> And the question now in my mind, is who /else/ knew of the true identity of 'Lerato Ma' at the time 'she' was promoting DCA's application for .AFRICA on the list.
>
>
>
> 07/12/2012 05:00, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2012 5:55 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>> >
>> > Now we let false identities vote on themselves?
>> >
>> looks like you now apply this to anyone who makes a point against yours...me false identity....funny, good luck with that!
>> > el
>> >
>> > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>> >
>> > On Dec 7, 2012, at 6:41 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well if there is call to vote on this, then I vote against.
>> >> I see this as uncalled for! Badru makes constructive statements while in my opinion yours seem not to compare.
>> >> Basically what this mean is that the lady has 2 email addresses subscribed on this list, how does that infringe on the rules (if there is one) of this list?.
>> >> As a matter of fact, keeping the two emails will enable her know/confirm that her messages where indeed not blocked.
>> >> @Ms Bekele I suggest you even sign up a third one as backup, just incase ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 6, 2012 10:09 PM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Adiel,
>> >>>
>> >>> please remove, at the very least, the false online identity
>> >>> lerato.ma at yahoo.com from the list, but preferably also Ms Bekele's
>> >>> real address. She has, as you have seen, admitted to using this
>> >>> false online identity on this list.
>> >>>
>> >>> But as far as content goes, the below puts her allegation of having
>> >>> been removed from the list for content into a totally different
>> >>> light.
>> >>>
>> >>> el
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2012-12-06 22:35 , Adiel Akplogan wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> From: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at afrinic.net>
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> >>> >> Date: 26 July, 2012 13:04:19 PM GMT+04:00
>> >>> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >>> >> Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Dear Moderator,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> It seems that there might be something to do with posts from Ms
>> >>> >>> Bekele..... Why was the email below not seen by others?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> (speaking for the list-admin)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hello,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> This is an unmoderated list. That means, that if you are a
>> >>> >> subscriber to this list, and you wish to post an opinion, you are
>> >>> >> able to, without restriction from the mailing list operators.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To help reduce spam, we *do* however, restrict posting to list
>> >>> >> members only. That is - you *must* subscribe to the mailing list
>> >>> >> first; this is typical for most mailing lists run nowadays, and
>> >>> >> is considered Best Practice. List members are identified by
>> >>> >> their unique email addresses. List membership is free, and open
>> >>> >> to anyone.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I am unable to find any list member with the email address:
>> >>> >> "sophiabekele at yahoo.com", which is the from-address in the
>> >>> >> message you forwarded below. The closest match that I found was:
>> >>> >> "sophiabekele at gmail.com".
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Should you wish to post directly from the @yahoo.com address,
>> >>> >> you'd first need to be "join" the mailing list as that user.
>> >>> >> We're unfortunately, unable to verify if these are the same
>> >>> >> people. Instructions on how to join the list are available here:
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>> >>> >> Hope that helps.
>> >>>
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:20:44 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate
To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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Have you ben invited to Beckstrom too iften?
el
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On Dec 7, 2012, at 15:17, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good questions but do not add value.
>
> Just be smart and alert since the List has got some crocks who may swallow you or make u feel sorry.
>
> Its another wind and will pass when something else of interest for quick bucks is found....
>
>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>
>
>
> Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
>
>
> When did Gideon know that Gideon was real?
>
>
> On 12/07/2012 12:06 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
> > When did Gideon know that Lerato was fake?
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:24:46 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate
To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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She has admitted to using a sockuppet, though one wonders who her sockpuppy is...
With regards to criminal offenses I repeat myself obviously because it's true...
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On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:23, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Badru, I am not intending to set us back, but somethings have to be stated for the record and here is mine.
>
> For someone that works with Ms. Bekele on a daily basis, I will vouch for her integrity and leadership and character, and I see no wrongdoing.
>
> Having said that, I also know that she has complained of not being able to post using her email on AfriICANN for a long time and being blocked. That was also obvious from the email Adiel has sent. What it states is that her name was not subscribed. and Nii is trying to legitimize the blocking by saying she did not know how to use email? how ridiculous is that. If you people are not psyched to the possibility of blocking people on this list, why is Dr Eberhard W Lisse proposing that she should be blocked again? Is this not enough evidence how your members who are anti DCA behave? If she used an alias to post, I see no problem with it at all. The content of her message is neither false nor with an intent to deceive anyone or cause mischief or unwarranted attack in anyone. You have said she is not member of your community, so why should she announce when she is coming in. I do not know most of the people posting on this list. Therefore,
if I have understood her apo!
logy, she gave the list one out of good faith and I believe it has nothing to do with deceit or lies you want to taint her with.
>
> BTW, Dr Eberhard W Lisse,your sockpuppy legal threat in US Federal Court is meaningless, but you seem to bring it up too many times, unless you are entertaining us. Ms Bekele's communication on this list brought no damage to anyone nor does it even carry false or misleading information. If you have a case on Bekele or DCA then please bring it on. Otherwise, you can save your legal opinion to any one you fool.
>
> I belong to many mailing lists and many do not know who I am and I contribute and debate and no one has asked me what I do or who I am affiliated with. If the truth be told, even on this issue, I have not heard from anyone on this list except those who are defending their support to an alternate .africa and you want to be taken seriously about lies and false identity and at the courts too? If you want an "exclusive list" of TLD membership on this list, then set up subscription rules for eg. on Kicktnet, one needs personal referral before you join, so less having a clear understanding or contract with your subscribers, I call everything else you are saying and doing pure harassment, name calling, witch hunting and bluffing.
>
> Who are you for eg. to dictate to Adiel, CEO of AfriNic to remove IDs or not from the list, based on your own presentation of argument or someone's behavior, while he did not remove you when people petitioned your removal on your own behavior. What will be the categories you will choose to block a person, irritating, obnoxious, hate mail, competition, and what you perceive as lies and deceitfulness? Can DCA also be allowed a list, how about nepotism, cronyism, abuse of office, and influence-peddling, even clueless Africans - remember that?
>
> Well, you might as well block me since I have also exercised my right to speak contrary to you argument, The only reason they tolerated you on this list or even brought you in is to get your endorsement and to keep it, and so you did. Spying on your opponent’s headers and calling them liars is no expertise or honesty. He who is without any sin should cast the first stone.
>
> That is all I have to say for now.
>
> Gideon Rop
> DotConnectAfrica
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:06:44 +0200
>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA>
>> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Use of a false online identity by Ms
>> Bekele
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <50C108E4.10002 at lisse.NA>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Adiel,
>>
>> please remove, at the very least, the false online identity
>> lerato.ma at yahoo.com from the list, but preferably also Ms Bekele's
>> real address. She has, as you have seen, admitted to using this
>> false online identity on this list.
>>
>> But as far as content goes, the below puts her allegation of having
>> been removed from the list for content into a totally different
>> light.
>>
>> el
>>
>>
>> On 2012-12-06 22:35 , Adiel Akplogan wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> >> From: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at afrinic.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> >> Date: 26 July, 2012 13:04:19 PM GMT+04:00
>> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear Moderator,
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems that there might be something to do with posts from Ms
>> >>> Bekele..... Why was the email below not seen by others?
>> >>
>> >> (speaking for the list-admin)
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> This is an unmoderated list. That means, that if you are a
>> >> subscriber to this list, and you wish to post an opinion, you are
>> >> able to, without restriction from the mailing list operators.
>> >>
>> >> To help reduce spam, we *do* however, restrict posting to list
>> >> members only. That is - you *must* subscribe to the mailing list
>> >> first; this is typical for most mailing lists run nowadays, and
>> >> is considered Best Practice. List members are identified by
>> >> their unique email addresses. List membership is free, and open
>> >> to anyone.
>> >>
>> >> I am unable to find any list member with the email address:
>> >> "sophiabekele at yahoo.com", which is the from-address in the
>> >> message you forwarded below. The closest match that I found was:
>> >> "sophiabekele at gmail.com".
>> >>
>> >> Should you wish to post directly from the @yahoo.com address,
>> >> you'd first need to be "join" the mailing list as that user.
>> >> We're unfortunately, unable to verify if these are the same
>> >> people. Instructions on how to join the list are available here:
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann (This is
>> >> the same URL that is automatically added to the bottom of every
>> >> message of this list).
>> >>
>> >> Hope that helps.
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>> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Remove the Intruder from the email
>> list
>> To: "<africann at afrinic.net>" <africann at afrinic.net>
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>> Gideon
>>
>> Your email sets us back. There was never blocking and i think the email re-sent by Adiel shows that. Sophia has apologized so lets not try and call this anything else. There was a wrong and hopefully it is going to be righted.
>>
>> We need to get back onto the substantive issues. Blindly expecting the community to accept because you think you are right does not work.
>>
>> So let us stop the accusations. You also need to accept that a wrong was done and if you were in the know maybe you also need to apologize.
>>
>> lets not defend the undefendable. The executive Director of DCA wronged and has apologized on the list. Some will accept the apology but then again others might not.
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com<mailto:gideonrop at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dr Eberhard W Lisse,
>>
>> you work for an admitted liar.
>>
>> Nonsense, just because you have the capacity to insult people does not make her anything she is not.
>>
>> She already told the truth in fact to your surprise and you could not take it. She was blocked from participation so she used a pseudo-name to protect herself from the likes of you in this list. There was no mischief or lies in the content of the message. But you cant handle the truth can you?
>>
>> On the other hand, in case you did not know who you have supported or you are working for, please try a dishonest and deceptive application for a .africa, a whole 1Bill people? .
>>
>> Gideon Rop
>> DotConnectafrica
>>
>>
>> el
>>
>> On 2012-12-06 20:42 , Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>> > It seems that your memory is ot doing you good or decide to have
>> > selective memory - maybe?
>> >
>> > Eh? Nii..
>> >
>> > I have been posting statements to "Yes to Dot ConnectAfrica" long
>> > before this saga of .africa was blown out of propotion by fellow
>> > Africans because I believe and intend to support development and
>> > good things I see for Africa - not for any named person be it Ms
>> > Bekele or other. The idea of having .africa through DCA has
>> > received my support and hence a Strategic Advisory input to it -
>> >
>> > What is wrong with you in this anyway? Me to change my spots and
>> > paint a colour I did not chose? I have a stand which is to be
>> > non-alignment in chosing the cause I support probably it is for
>> > development of Africa not individuals as you tend to want me to do
>> > - show me a good cause I will support if I agree and belive so -
>> > not to be 'told' to fall in line... respect choices please.
>> >
>> > Does it mean that I should change my support to follow what you or
>> > other say or do? The DCA I support is a Trust - do I have t
>> > educate you at this stage on this what a Trust means?
>> >
>> > Please concentarte on issues not to run a Campaign in this List -
>> > there is a place for that: Political Campaigns and Elections
>> > process would benefit from that; not here, with me, now.
>> >
>> > I keep quiet on this now and do not wish to hear any canvassing
>> > from you or anyother other person since it has been my choice with
>> > my eyes open...
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Yassin
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>> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Remove the Intruder from the email
>> list
>> To: Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com<mailto:lerato.ma at yahoo.com>>, "<africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>"
>> <africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>> Message-ID:
>> <89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A5710DDC358 at NFT-P-EX1.nftconsult.com<mailto:89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A5710DDC358 at NFT-P-EX1.nftconsult.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Sophia
>>
>> Thank's for the apology. Its a positive step towards bridging the divide. i still have hope that we can get a unified process. I would ask that you post as Sophia so we get back to discussing the main issues.
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com<mailto:lerato.ma at yahoo.com><mailto:lerato.ma at yahoo.com<mailto:lerato.ma at yahoo.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If it is an apology that is needed, I apologize for the people on the email list.
>> I am sorry. Let us put this behind us and move on.
>> There is no need to drag this any further.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com<mailto:quaynor at ghana.com><mailto:quaynor at ghana.com<mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>>>
>> To: "africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net><mailto:africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>" <africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net><mailto:africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 7:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Remove the Intruder from the email list
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 14:08, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com<mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com><mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com<mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oga Nii - please do not tie me or anybody to anything you imagine to be - you should apologise for this instead - judging people not acceptable by me. Actually you do not have to apologise - its your right to say whatever...
>>
>> Let us move on....
>>
>> Not so quickly. Are you not a member of the global strategic advisory leadership group of DCA? and on this list and on this subject you've been playing defense for 'Lerato'
>>
>> I have not been a sockpuppet and not lied so I owe no apology;
>>
>> you tied yourself to DCA and Lerato so you deserve what comes with it or are you quickly dissociating yourself now? Before the cock crows 3 times?
>>
>> Why can't we just be truthful?
>>
>> Yassin
>>
>> On 6 December 2012 09:18, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com<mailto:quaynor at ghana.com><mailto:quaynor at ghana.com<mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 8:03, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com<mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com><mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com<mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> [....]
>> >
>> > Will this Googling and High Class Gossio stop please? How do investigative journalists get information? To say the list... what about these radio JDs in Australia who pretended to be Her Majesty the Queen of UK who obtained private information by phone? Nothing will happen to them!! It is a game....
>> >
>>
>> The radio station did not applaud it instead the station apologized. There likely will be disciplinary action
>>
>> 'Lerato', Yassin and DCA had not yet apologized the last I checked :(
>>
>> What drama
>>
>> > There you go ..
>> >
>> > Yassin
>> >
>> >
>> >
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