[***SPAM***] Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs

[Lerato Mamboleo]

Congratulations McTim for heckling DCA because this is what your present diatribe and animosity against DCA amounts to.   Very hard to discuss concrete issues with you.  Goodluck with your hatefulness!


________________________________
 From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
To: Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>; ""mje at posix.co.za"" <mje at posix.co.za> 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs
 
Hello again,


On 11/19/11, Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear McTim,
>
> You cannot continue to engage DCA
> every week in ‘energy-dissipating’ discussions – in the preceding two weeks
> it
> was on CircleID, and now it is on the AfriCANN mailing list.

In fact, I can, and I will if I so choose.   It's not up to you (or
anyone for that matter) to tell me how often I can offer my views.

>
> Against the backdrop that you
> have openly stated your determined opposition and ardent hatred for DCA and
> its
> initiative,

I am opposed to your "All is Fair in Love and War" (a quote from your
colleague) attitude and your negative campaigns, not your organisation
itself.


it is difficult to imagine what you intend to gain out of this
> campaign of calumny

There's the pot calling the kettle black.  What I would ideally like
as the end result is to stop the negativity flowing from DCA.

that you have commenced against DCA. You state that you
> have “no
> financial or other interest in ARC, AfTLD, dotafrica.orgor any other group
> vying for .africa” but your voice is actually more strident than the voices
> of
> those who are officially opposed to DCA.   It is
> either you are a paid mercenary of these vested interests that are
> opposed to DCA or you are assisting them now, with the hope of getting a
> policy
> advisory role as your compensation sometime in the near future.

Since the people who are trying to compete with you have much more
ICANN experience than me, this is hardly likely, but thanks for
suggesting it to them for me ;-)

If not,
> what exactly is your interest in these
> matters?

Fair play, the development of the Internet eco-system in Africa
including a style of engagement that involves coordination,
collaboration and appropriate communication for a start.

>
> Is it wrong for DCA to express a
> commitment to work with African ccTLDs? During your last altercation on
> CircleID
> you insisted that DCA must make a commitment regarding an ‘African
> solution’,

No, I didn't. I said that DCA (or whoever is the registry operator)
SHOULD try and keep monies generated from .africa in Africa whenever
possible. That includes using a homegrown solution for the back-end
registry.   I think you need to read more carefully.


> and here DCA is making a commitment to the African ccTLDs, and you are also
> finding fault, it is already quite clear that your reasoning has been
> befouled
> by your open, frivolous and unrepentant antagonism towards DCA. This is
> highly
> regrettable.

I will be antagonistic towards DCAs "scorched earth" style of
engagement until you stop it.  I don't regret it at all.

By your posturing, it is quite obvious that you are not a
> disinterested, impartial, detached observer the way you always try to
> portray
> yourself. Your patent bias is rather self-defeating. You are simply another
> mercenary

mercenaries get paid, I'm just offering my honest opinion, but thanks
for trying to besmirch my reputation.

that has involved himself in what looks like an African war over
> DotAfrica gTLD, and in the process, the ‘Dog of War’ that you are has now
> entangled
> himself in a ‘Fog of War’ with DCA!
>
> Of course, DCA can firmly oppose to the current AU RFP on DotAfrica the same
> way DCA vociferously expressed its strong
> opposition to the earlier EOI process that failed.  DCA is also hoping that
> the
> present RFP process will not see the light of day.  DCA shall not
> participate in
> an extraordinary process that has been introduced to pass or fail a
> prospective
> gTLD applicant outside the ICANN gTLD programme.

Well, since the ICANN process MANDATES that applicants get a letter of
support (or at least no objection), how would you suggest that the AU
offer these letters to applicants?

Please explain, this seems to be the crux of the matter.

Moreover, we already know
> that your friends
> and paymasters

I wish someone was paying me to put up with this nonsense, but sadly,
I am not paid, so how can they be my "paymasters"??


on the AU DotAfrica Task Force will use the RFP opportunity
> to
> stop DCA from bidding for DotAfrica; so what is the point of giving
> credibility
> and legitimacy to a farcical process that has been hastily put together to
> assist the opponents of DCA?
>

See above, the ICANN DAG says that applicants need to show
documentation of support.
How else does a body like the AU determine who gets such a letter?


> In any case, whether DCA is
> opposed to the RFP or not does not in any way invalidate our viewpoint that
> “the RFP does not in any way refer to AfTLD.” Please show us
> where it refers to AfTLD

I never said it did, again, you must read more carefully.



in the bidder’s eligibility to form acceptable
> Consortiums, and we shall say touché. Is the AfTLD not supposed to draw its
> membership from the confederation of African ccTLDs

AfTLD is "the confederation" of African ccTLDs.


<silly and misleading analogy to African Football politics elided>


>
> Irrespective
> of whatever you ‘googled’ to justify your unremitting antagonism towards

I googled for facts, you should try it sometime.

> DCA,
> and regarding whether we are defending the AfTLD or not, we believe the
> AfTLD
> does not need us to speak for it, but the truth must be told nevertheless.
> It was
> the same vested interest group that tried to use AfTLD to achieve its
> ridiculous
> objective of creating a formidable coalition against DCA that is also now
> providing support to ARC. It was for that reason they congregated at Ghana
> to
> give a Vote of Confidence to the AfTLD.


I thought that was a regular annual AfTLD meeting? only a very small
portion of it was about .africa.


>
> The
> question therefore is: what happened to that Vote of Confidence? Is AfTLD no
> longer the darling of the anti-DCA groups?  The point is that these people
> already know
> which side their bread is buttered, and as they seek after filthy lucre,
> they
> already understand that the AfTLD does not have a well-oiled financial
> machinery, hence they shamelessly switched allegiance to the upstart ARC
> where
> they expect to gain more financially since ARC has the financial backing of
> ‘new-money’ venture capitalists.

I can make no sense of the above, so won't comment on it, except to
remark that a few weeks ago, DCA slandered these ‘new-money’ venture
capitalists as "likely BEE scammers".


>
> McTim
> my friend let us be more objective and empirical in our assertions and
> analyses.

Absolutely, let's use facts, and not distortion, half-truths and
outright lies.  BTW, friends don't treat each other with disrespect,
so we won't be "friendly" until you apologize for the insinuations
made in your last post.

> It is easy for you to ‘google-up’ information that shows you that AfTLD has
> up
> to 24 members.

and one of the docs I found was on your website stating that AFTLD has
24 members.
http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/2011/03/exclusive-commentary-dca-aftld-seeks-mandate-manage-africa/



It is strange that you do not find it worrying that within a
> continent of 54 countries, that there are more African ccTLDs outside the
> fold
> of AfTLD than within it.   DCA have since performed due diligence on
> AfTLD and we know for sure that the legal personality called ‘AfTLD Ltd.’,
> does
> not have this type of ownership that your Google-search has dredged up for
> you.

Did I ever say anything about AfTLD other than they are the
association of African ccTLDs?

  We work on legally-defensible facts not things
> that have been put out there to fool the public.   We know
> that there is a great difference between 24 African ccTLDs being identified
> as
> members of an AfTLD that lacks proper legal establishment (the way you see
> it),


Again, you are trying to put words in my mouth...I NEVER said that
AfTLD lacks proper legal establishment. You said that, not me.


> and perhaps 1 or 2 members of a legally constituted AFTLD Ltd (the way we
> see
> it).

but on your website you say they have 24, so which is it, 2 or 24?

>
> Finally,
> again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Imagine the verbal war
> that
> has broken out today simply because of a media report that DCA has expressed
> a
> commitment to work with African ccTLDs. It is therefore clear that people
> like
> you will work against DCA in any way they could, including sabotaging DCA’s
> stated desire to work in cooperation, or form Consortium relationships, with
> these African ccTLDs. And you still expect DCA to justify why it as no faith
> in the AU RFP process!

chalk and cheese.  The AU RFP has nothing at all to do with my
opinions about your strategy. Why would you conflate the two?

If your all about facts and transparency, can you detail for us who
owns DCA?  Who has invested and how much over the last few years?  Is
it not based in Mauritius as well as AfTLD?
My understanding of The Companies Act 2001 of Mauritius is that
non-profits in Mauritius are frequently the kind of private company
(limited by guarantee) that AfTLD seems to be.

Is DCA the same kind of company?  If not, can you explain exactly how
DCA is incorporated in Mauritius (which type of company, any
registered owners, bylaws, constitutiion, etc).

I think in the interest of transparency, Africans should know exactly
who will run and how they will run a .africa.   ARC has put this on
their website, can you do the same?

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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