[AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: information - .africa string related claim - lies *Time we STOPPED This debate?***

Fri Nov 19 15:16:38 SAST 2010

Thank you.
It is good not to take sides when siblings fight - it is wise to calm them
down and sort out the issue.

Good day to one and all

Yassin

On 19 November 2010 12:34, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> The voting will be done by 20 people from ALAC. There is no reason we
> cannot carry on the debate on this list, as  we (AFRICANN) will not be
> voting. You are, of course, free to ignore this thread. Rgds, McTim
>
> On 11/19/10, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is this a campaign or what? It will soon be tiring to read everything
> posted
> > - pollution of ideas or what shall this be called?
> >
> > It is time to Vote and do it wisely.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Yassin .
> >
> > On 19 November 2010 08:28, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > It was brought up because  it has been marketed by people that we did
> >> > not
> >> > disclose it to.
> >>
> >> I see.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I for one, would love to see the original "mandate" from the AU to
> >> > DCA.....Could you post it please?
> >> >
> >> > Do you know what a "mandate" is?
> >>
> >> As a native English speaker, I am happy with this definition:
> >> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mandate
> >>
> >>
> >> > You also just answered your own question.
> >> > Your request for disclosure contradicts your own comment above where
> you
> >> > said,  "...have not seen in this thread that alluded to that...."
> >>
> >> Now I think you are confused.  I am asking to see the original mandate
> >> from AU to DCA.  I ask again, will you publish that for the community
> >> to see?
> >>
> >> ,snip>
> >>
> >>
> >> > All paths to hell are paved with good intention, in this case the
> >> > "consensuses"  to what?   Approval to do what?     You have not
> >> > separated
> >> > the orange from the apple in this case.  Again, we shall leave that
> job
> >> to
> >> > ICANN.
> >>
> >> Which leaves us in a situation where .africa may not be delegated at
> >> all if more than one government objects.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > What really confuses me most is DCA's many prior claims to a mandate
> >> > from the AU, but now you say the AU will not be "arbitrator for the
> >> > process."
> >> >
> >> > Again, you also keep raising the same question.
> >>
> >> Because I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.yet.
> >>
> >> What is a "mandate" for
> >> > you?
> >>
> >> see above definition
> >>
> >> There is no process for AU to arbitrate; nor can DCA do that. ICANN is
> >> > the arbitrator of the process. Do you know what "arbitration is '?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ICANN will not arbitrate, they will use DRSPs for that according to
> >> the Guidebook.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure it would reach a DRSP, as the Guidebook also says:  "If
> >> there is more than one application for a string
> >> representing a certain geographic name as described in
> >> this section, and the applications have requisite
> >> government approvals, the applications will be suspended
> >> pending resolution by the applicants."
> >>
> >> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arbitration #3 seems an adequate
> definition
> >> to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I suggest that you cannot have it both ways, can you?
> >> >
> >> > can they?
> >>
> >> "they", as in .dotafrica.org are not trying to.  they have not claimed
> >> a mandate from AU, nor have they claimed that AU should not be
> >> involved.
> >>
> >> My question to you still stands. Can you provide a more reasonable
> >> answer please?
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > to provide clarity to this confusion; unfortunately DCA has also been
> >> > busy on the ground delivering, since AU even during a recent meeting
> >> > has assured us that none of the letters they have issued should stop
> >> > us from continuing our work (meeting minutes can be provided).
> >> >
> >> > Please do provide for clarity.
> >> >
> >> > That clarity is in the whole statement, you may want to read  it
> again,
> >> > unless of course that you are again "alluding" to ask for disclosure,
> >> that
> >> > which you claimed above no one is asking.
> >>
> >> You have offered to provide minutes for a meeting, I am simply taking
> >> you up on that offer.  Please provide said minutes for clarity.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> 5-The posting by DCA for the ICANN Board seat 15 was done at the
> >> >> appropriate forum,
> >> >
> >> > appropriate forum, inappropriate content.  Really, in the Internet
> >> > governance world, we do not behave in such a manner.
> >> >
> >> > Does content on internet governance selectively applies to particular
> >> group
> >> > or organization, or email group?
> >>
> >> no, I did not claim that.
> >>
> >>   Did you support the same view during the
> >> > recent "inappropriate content"  in Kicktnet, where you are also a
> >> > member,
> >> or
> >> > here on AfriICANN earlier on this email?
> >>
> >> What was posted to the Kictanet list was a letter from the AU rep to
> >> DCA.  It contained no inappropriate content.  If it should have been
> >> posted is a question I leave to the readers.
> >>
> >> Once your 8 point statement was posted to the Wiki, it's in the public
> >> domain.
> >>
> >>   In this case, how can you have
> >> > the credence to say to define "what is inappropriate" or not.?
> >>
> >> As I have said repeatedly, the Candidate has offered to recuse himself
> >> in advance on this specific issue.  you say there is a COI, I say that
> >> there is a potential which has already been satisfactorily addressed
> >> in the Q and A on that forum.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> which is the currently ongoing, so everyone has a right to air
> >> > their opinion on that forum.  DCA did not circulate the posting
> >> > inappropriately,
> >>
> >> We will have to agree to disagree on that.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Since the question of potential conflict by Candidates had already
> >> > been addressed on the at-large workspace, I do consider it an
> >> > inappropriate posting.
> >> >
> >> > That was a pre-empted question/answer, even before our posting.
> The
> >> > candidate should have disclosed his COI in his SOI, as per ICANN rule.
> >> If
> >> > not, he has exposed himself to the 8 counts of COI that we have
> stated.
> >> > Legitimate concerns and facts can be presented anytime.  Rules are
> also
> >> > meant to be followed.
> >>
> >> yes, and we have some unwritten rules in the Internet Governance
> >> world. One of them is that questioning a persons integrity is beyond
> >> the pale.  You may not consider it an ad hominem message, but I and
> >> many others do.  it seems to me that this is self defeating for DCA.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> unlike those who have taken the privilege of circulating
> >> >> unauthenticated
> >> >> letters that has not even been addressed to them.
> >> >
> >> > Are you saying that the letter from the AU is not authentic?
> >> >
> >> > your question can be answered if you read the letter cautiously again.
> >>
> >>
> >> no, it can't.  I would like a yes or no answer from you please.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Am afraid McTim, and due respect your question may be valid, however
> >> unless
> >> > you are not appointed to be an arbitrator between ICANN/AU/DCA or any
> >> other
> >> > that you may have not disclosed, It makes no sense to clarify further
> on
> >> > this issue that deals with competing gtlds and who is the best
> >> application
> >> > or not to the proper authorities.  Again, the decision is not ours,
> >> > there
> >> is
> >> > a process that will determine that and is called guidebook, and we
> >> > should
> >> > leave that to ICANN, the decision maker.
> >>
> >> I would suggest you read the guidebook again.  You seem to think that
> >> if two competing geo-string applicants both apply for the same string,
> >> ICANN will decide between the two.  My reading of the Guidebook
> >> suggests that that is not the case.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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