Thank you. <div>It is good not to take sides when siblings fight - it is wise to calm them down and sort out the issue.<div><br></div><div>Good day to one and all</div><div><br></div><div>Yassin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 19 November 2010 12:34, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
The voting will be done by 20 people from ALAC. There is no reason we<br>
cannot carry on the debate on this list, as we (AFRICANN) will not be<br>
voting. You are, of course, free to ignore this thread. Rgds, McTim<br>
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On 11/19/10, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Is this a campaign or what? It will soon be tiring to read everything posted<br>
> - pollution of ideas or what shall this be called?<br>
><br>
> It is time to Vote and do it wisely.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards<br>
><br>
> Yassin .<br>
><br>
> On 19 November 2010 08:28, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Lerato Mamboleo <<a href="http://lerato.ma" target="_blank">lerato.ma</a>@<a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> <snip><br>
>><br>
>> > It was brought up because it has been marketed by people that we did<br>
>> > not<br>
>> > disclose it to.<br>
>><br>
>> I see.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > I for one, would love to see the original "mandate" from the AU to<br>
>> > DCA.....Could you post it please?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Do you know what a "mandate" is?<br>
>><br>
>> As a native English speaker, I am happy with this definition:<br>
>> <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mandate" target="_blank">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mandate</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > You also just answered your own question.<br>
>> > Your request for disclosure contradicts your own comment above where you<br>
>> > said, "...have not seen in this thread that alluded to that...."<br>
>><br>
>> Now I think you are confused. I am asking to see the original mandate<br>
>> from AU to DCA. I ask again, will you publish that for the community<br>
>> to see?<br>
>><br>
>> ,snip><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > All paths to hell are paved with good intention, in this case the<br>
>> > "consensuses" to what? Approval to do what? You have not<br>
>> > separated<br>
>> > the orange from the apple in this case. Again, we shall leave that job<br>
>> to<br>
>> > ICANN.<br>
>><br>
>> Which leaves us in a situation where .africa may not be delegated at<br>
>> all if more than one government objects.<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > What really confuses me most is DCA's many prior claims to a mandate<br>
>> > from the AU, but now you say the AU will not be "arbitrator for the<br>
>> > process."<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Again, you also keep raising the same question.<br>
>><br>
>> Because I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.yet.<br>
>><br>
>> What is a "mandate" for<br>
>> > you?<br>
>><br>
>> see above definition<br>
>><br>
>> There is no process for AU to arbitrate; nor can DCA do that. ICANN is<br>
>> > the arbitrator of the process. Do you know what "arbitration is '?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ICANN will not arbitrate, they will use DRSPs for that according to<br>
>> the Guidebook.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not sure it would reach a DRSP, as the Guidebook also says: "If<br>
>> there is more than one application for a string<br>
>> representing a certain geographic name as described in<br>
>> this section, and the applications have requisite<br>
>> government approvals, the applications will be suspended<br>
>> pending resolution by the applicants."<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arbitration" target="_blank">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arbitration</a> #3 seems an adequate definition<br>
>> to me.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I suggest that you cannot have it both ways, can you?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > can they?<br>
>><br>
>> "they", as in .<a href="http://dotafrica.org" target="_blank">dotafrica.org</a> are not trying to. they have not claimed<br>
>> a mandate from AU, nor have they claimed that AU should not be<br>
>> involved.<br>
>><br>
>> My question to you still stands. Can you provide a more reasonable<br>
>> answer please?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > to provide clarity to this confusion; unfortunately DCA has also been<br>
>> > busy on the ground delivering, since AU even during a recent meeting<br>
>> > has assured us that none of the letters they have issued should stop<br>
>> > us from continuing our work (meeting minutes can be provided).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please do provide for clarity.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > That clarity is in the whole statement, you may want to read it again,<br>
>> > unless of course that you are again "alluding" to ask for disclosure,<br>
>> that<br>
>> > which you claimed above no one is asking.<br>
>><br>
>> You have offered to provide minutes for a meeting, I am simply taking<br>
>> you up on that offer. Please provide said minutes for clarity.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> 5-The posting by DCA for the ICANN Board seat 15 was done at the<br>
>> >> appropriate forum,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > appropriate forum, inappropriate content. Really, in the Internet<br>
>> > governance world, we do not behave in such a manner.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Does content on internet governance selectively applies to particular<br>
>> group<br>
>> > or organization, or email group?<br>
>><br>
>> no, I did not claim that.<br>
>><br>
>> Did you support the same view during the<br>
>> > recent "inappropriate content" in Kicktnet, where you are also a<br>
>> > member,<br>
>> or<br>
>> > here on AfriICANN earlier on this email?<br>
>><br>
>> What was posted to the Kictanet list was a letter from the AU rep to<br>
>> DCA. It contained no inappropriate content. If it should have been<br>
>> posted is a question I leave to the readers.<br>
>><br>
>> Once your 8 point statement was posted to the Wiki, it's in the public<br>
>> domain.<br>
>><br>
>> In this case, how can you have<br>
>> > the credence to say to define "what is inappropriate" or not.?<br>
>><br>
>> As I have said repeatedly, the Candidate has offered to recuse himself<br>
>> in advance on this specific issue. you say there is a COI, I say that<br>
>> there is a potential which has already been satisfactorily addressed<br>
>> in the Q and A on that forum.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> which is the currently ongoing, so everyone has a right to air<br>
>> > their opinion on that forum. DCA did not circulate the posting<br>
>> > inappropriately,<br>
>><br>
>> We will have to agree to disagree on that.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Since the question of potential conflict by Candidates had already<br>
>> > been addressed on the at-large workspace, I do consider it an<br>
>> > inappropriate posting.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > That was a pre-empted question/answer, even before our posting. The<br>
>> > candidate should have disclosed his COI in his SOI, as per ICANN rule.<br>
>> If<br>
>> > not, he has exposed himself to the 8 counts of COI that we have stated.<br>
>> > Legitimate concerns and facts can be presented anytime. Rules are also<br>
>> > meant to be followed.<br>
>><br>
>> yes, and we have some unwritten rules in the Internet Governance<br>
>> world. One of them is that questioning a persons integrity is beyond<br>
>> the pale. You may not consider it an ad hominem message, but I and<br>
>> many others do. it seems to me that this is self defeating for DCA.<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> unlike those who have taken the privilege of circulating<br>
>> >> unauthenticated<br>
>> >> letters that has not even been addressed to them.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Are you saying that the letter from the AU is not authentic?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > your question can be answered if you read the letter cautiously again.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> no, it can't. I would like a yes or no answer from you please.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Am afraid McTim, and due respect your question may be valid, however<br>
>> unless<br>
>> > you are not appointed to be an arbitrator between ICANN/AU/DCA or any<br>
>> other<br>
>> > that you may have not disclosed, It makes no sense to clarify further on<br>
>> > this issue that deals with competing gtlds and who is the best<br>
>> application<br>
>> > or not to the proper authorities. Again, the decision is not ours,<br>
>> > there<br>
>> is<br>
>> > a process that will determine that and is called guidebook, and we<br>
>> > should<br>
>> > leave that to ICANN, the decision maker.<br>
>><br>
>> I would suggest you read the guidebook again. You seem to think that<br>
>> if two competing geo-string applicants both apply for the same string,<br>
>> ICANN will decide between the two. My reading of the Guidebook<br>
>> suggests that that is not the case.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> McTim<br>
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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