[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3

[Dr Yassin Mshana]

Hi there, let me jump in and reinforce Vika's opinion on Two issues below (I
presume it is allowable):

o has ICANN demonstrated maturity and is able to remain accountable to the
community?



Yes, as explained above. I like the fact the ICANN Board itself seems to
push for the end of the US DoC oversight over ICANN. That is a sign that
ICANN appreciates the anomaly of having one government (US) unilaterally
having oversight over a global resource (DNS).

 This question is about "accountability" there is no mention of
"transparency" in it.

While the answer remaining "YES" the issue at hand is how make DoC perform
its duty on behalf of the US Gov under or within a "multilateral agreement".
The DoC is fully represented at GAC (and in other Constituents of ICANN). no
Governemnt would like to see its influence diminished just like that due to
external pressure. Looking back to history, the US Govt through DoC were
instrumental in the formation of ICANN when the Internet became a global
phenomenon (DNS). The changes in JPA will depend on the negotiations that
will have to take place.It seems to me that it is suggestible to make the US
Govt to be a shareholder and not to oversee through DoC.

Above all, since the Board is nominated through a process that involves the
whole community, it is accountable to it and performs its duties
transparently when they are presented to the Board hence maturity is not an
issue.

The question should be, "Is the entire community mature to ensure
accountability and transparency?" Any takers?

o continuation of JPA as is or not?



This is a tricky question because fair as it will be to see the end of the
JPA MOU, there is still no answer as to who will have oversight over ICANN
going forward. There may be value in looking more closely at the
international tribunal proposal (by somebody from the EU region). I really
don’t think that the ITU will be a good structure for this due to a number
of reasons I can state outside this discussion.

 The community has a say on the JPA and this should be effected through the
ICANN Board (which is neutral enough).

 The methodology proposed may be put to test. ITU and
other multilaterals are managed by Civil Servants from their respective
Governments (that is the reason for exclusion of ITU I reckon) AND some have
individual issues with the Internet use in their countries. It will might to
create another gigantic bureaucracy? ICANN Board should the the supreme body
on Internet issues and another format of the JPA should be negotiated on
behalf of the community.

I hope the Obama administration will be keen to hand over the oversight role
to another entity.

 Agreed 110% but which entity? The ICANN Board the issue will be under which
jurisdiction... a UN resolution?

My few stings

yassin
2009/6/3 Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za>

>  Well, if anything the email from Esam Abdulkhirat has served one good
> purpose: to get us to talk about the JPA. It is also pleasing to see Pierre
> D and Nii taking some form of leadership on this matter. Way to go!
>
>
>
> The views below are mine personally and on .za DNA’s behalf. AfTLD is yet
> to apply its mind on the JPA issue. Hopefully we’ll be able to table a
> common position as AfTLD and AF* in the near future.
>
>
>
> o has ICANN MOU relationship with DoC provided useful guidance over the
> years?
>
>
>
> Yes, the MOU served a good purpose over the last 10 years. This good
> purpose is the fact that DoC kept oversight over ICANN and thus ensured that
> ICANN performed its work well, knowing somebody was watching them.
>
>
>
> o has ICANN successfully accounted to its community in open and transparent
> way throughout its series of MOUs with DoC
>
>
>
> Yes, since ICANN has been quite inclusive in its role, bringing various
> stakeholders to the same platform. There may be areas of improvement, but
> overall ICANN has accounted fairly well. The ready availability of the ICANN
> Board, CEO/President and staff to even attend regional events and discussion
> has seen almost all ICANN regions increasingly influencing the work of
> ICANN.
>
>
>
> o has the Internet remained stable and growing during tenure of ICANN
> services?
>
>
>
> Yes, it has. I’m particularly impressed with the quick thinking and
> communication shown by ICANN in responding to DNS security threats. Such
> approach has made the Internet stable and substantially secure. Going
> forward, ICANN should look at encouraging ccTLDs to improve in their
> security through implementing DNSSec and other security technologies.
>
>
>
> o has bottomup multistakeholder processes at ICANN been effective?
>
>
>
> Substantially it has been, although regions like Africa and South America
> still have participate more in shaping ICANN processes. In addition, there
> is a need for governments to have a more recognised role over ICANN. The
> notion of GAC is good, but the reality is that GAC is simply an advisory
> committee. Hopefully this will be addressed once the JPA terminates.
>
>
>
> o has ICANN demonstrated maturity and is able to remain accountable to the
> community?
>
>
>
> Yes, as explained above. I like the fact the ICANN Board itself seems to
> push for the end of the US DoC oversight over ICANN. That is a sign that
> ICANN appreciates the anomaly of having one government (US) unilaterally
> having oversight over a global resource (DNS).
>
>
>
> o continuation of JPA as is or not?
>
>
>
> This is a tricky question because fair as it will be to see the end of the
> JPA MOU, there is still no answer as to who will have oversight over ICANN
> going forward. There may be value in looking more closely at the
> international tribunal proposal (by somebody from the EU region). I really
> don’t think that the ITU will be a good structure for this due to a number
> of reasons I can state outside this discussion.
>
>
>
> I hope the Obama administration will be keen to hand over the oversight
> role to another entity.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Vika Mpisane*
>
> .za Domain Name Authority
>
> Tel: +27 11 275 0082
>
> Fax:+27 11 234 5022
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Abdoulaye DIAKITE
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:13 AM
> *To:* africann at afrinic.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> In reply to Quaynor-Dandjinou survey, please find following:
>
> o has ICANN MOU relationship with DoC provided useful guidance over the years?
>
>
>
>   Yes
>
>
>
> o has ICANN successfully accounted to its community in open and
>
> transparent way throughout its series of MOUs with DoC
>
>
>
>   Yes
>
>
>
>   o has the Internet remained stable and growing during tenure of ICANN services?
>
>
>
>   Yes
>
>
>
>   o has bottomup multistakeholder processes at ICANN been effective?
>
>
>
>   Yes
>
>
>
>   o has ICANN demonstrated maturity and is able to remain accountable to
>
>   the community?
>
>
>
>   Yes
>
>
>
>   o continuation of JPA as is or not?
>
>
>
>   No.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Abdoulaye DIAKITE
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 3:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3
>
> Nii and All,
>
>
>
> The proposed series of questions is a good start and boil down to
> investigating  whether the ICANN model, which started 11 years ago, has
> functionned and should be continued without the JPA.
>
>
>
> Katim, while your suggestion is valid, i tend to think we should do it the
> other way, to be more democratic. Thus, I suggest we all brainstorm on the
> questions. Answers could be yes or no to the 6 questions and comments could
> be added. Let's give ourselves till Thursday for this exercise an then, by
> Friday, one of us could come up with a synthesis to discuss and post to NTIA
> by Saturday 6 june as the Africann view.
>
>
>
> Of course, each individual and AF* should still retain the opportunity of
> posting their views...
>
>
>
> Hope this serves.
>
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Nii Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> Pierre,
>
>
>
> I, for sure, will have a personal opinion expressed publicly
>
>
>
> However, we can do some work here on AfrICANN list:
>
>
>
> o has ICANN MOU relationship with DoC provided useful guidance over the
> years?
>
> o has ICANN successfully accounted to its community in open and transparent
> way throughout its series of MOUs with DoC
>
> o has the Internet remained stable and growing during tenure of ICANN
> services?
>
> o has bottomup multistakeholder processes at ICANN been effective?
>
> o has ICANN demonstrated maturity and is able to remain accountable to the
> community?
>
> o continuation of JPA as is or not?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________  AfrICANN mailing list  AfrICANN at afrinic.net  https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann
>
>
>
> Abdoulaye DIAKITE
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 3:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3
>
> Nii and All,
>
>
>
> The proposed series of questions is a good start and boil down to
> investigating  whether the ICANN model, which started 11 years ago, has
> functionned and should be continued without the JPA.
>
>
>
> Katim, while your suggestion is valid, i tend to think we should do it the
> other way, to be more democratic. Thus, I suggest we all brainstorm on the
> questions. Answers could be yes or no to the 6 questions and comments could
> be added. Let's give ourselves till Thursday for this exercise an then, by
> Friday, one of us could come up with a synthesis to discuss and post to NTIA
> by Saturday 6 june as the Africann view.
>
>
>
> Of course, each individual and AF* should still retain the opportunity of
> posting their views...
>
>
>
> Hope this serves.
>
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Nii Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> Pierre,
>
>
>
> I, for sure, will have a personal opinion expressed publicly
>
>
>
> However, we can do some work here on AfrICANN list:
>
>
>
> o has ICANN MOU relationship with DoC provided useful guidance over the
> years?
>
> o has ICANN successfully accounted to its community in open and transparent
> way throughout its series of MOUs with DoC
>
> o has the Internet remained stable and growing during tenure of ICANN
> services?
>
> o has bottomup multistakeholder processes at ICANN been effective?
>
> o has ICANN demonstrated maturity and is able to remain accountable to the
> community?
>
> o continuation of JPA as is or not?
>
>
>
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