From geier at geier.ne.tz  Thu Apr  2 18:16:59 2026
From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2026 21:16:59 +0300
Subject: [RPKI-Discuss] the case for ASPA objects
Message-ID: <79e9f2ac-580b-471f-b14a-621800504d25@geier.ne.tz>

Dear AfriNIC staff and members,

It has come to my attention that some people feel that we need more 
public outrage that AfriNIC still doesn't support delegated mode RPKI.

That's mostly because some members wish to create ASPA records and with 
the AfriNIC-hosted solution this is still not possible - in my 
understanding, to be corrected.

Maybe they are right.

I tried to find public statements with timelines.
at [1] on slide 23, I found "July 2011".

I probably didn't search well enough for more...

the address rpki-help at afrinic.net has received a detailed request from a 
member on January 5th.

I can represent 4 members asking you to provide a solution to members 
for the creation of ASPA objects. Best by enabling both methods, of course.

I consider volunteering to get you a list of many more members who do 
have the need for that and want to officially support AfriNIC moving 
more quickly to accomplish this.

How many do we need?

I would hope that it is well known that this is a request for the 
betterment and positive development of routing security.

Which I believe to be withing the mandate of AfriNIC.

I have seen messages that this could be a request to be "discussed" 
within an AfriNIC Working Group. Does anybody at AfriNIC think that any 
discussion is needed? Or would you just like to provide be above 
requested number?

Personally, I believe this is more a topic for a staff meeting at 
AfriNIC than for a Working Group... Mostly because it's 2026.

In the meantime, can others please help me with the public outrage?

Thanks,
Frank Habicht
ORG-SL71-AFRINIC


[1]
https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-13/images/stories/af13_presentation/AF-13-24/10-RPKI-AFRINIC-13-simplified.pdf



From geier at geier.ne.tz  Wed Apr  8 06:31:17 2026
From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 09:31:17 +0300
Subject: [RPKI-Discuss] the case for ASPA objects
In-Reply-To: <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
References: <79e9f2ac-580b-471f-b14a-621800504d25@geier.ne.tz>
 <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
Message-ID: <bdc0a746-882c-4fd6-bf6f-5e7117a5b63c@geier.ne.tz>

Hi Mukom,

Thanks for the email.

 > My colleague Yogesh will share the testing timeline and participation
 > details with the community within the next 2 weeks.

looking forward to this, and i believe i'm not alone.


 > MyAFRINIC v1 is the critical constraint because we've reached its
 > architectural limits. Trying to extend it further makes it more
 > fragile
 > and puts registry operations at risk. That's why we decided to replace
 > it entirely with MyAFRINIC 2.0.

So I was wondering a bit for how long we've heard about this 2.0
And from a google search the AI answer mislead me saying "2022".
While the same search had a link to
https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/agmm/2013/af18-agmm-OperationsReport-COO.pdf
which says since June 2013 we hear about MyAfriNIC2.0

I trust that there were some moving goalposts along the way, but I just 
can't avoid feeling that it's "been a long time".

This is the view from the other side of the table.

PS:
https://status.afrinic.net/notices/2oqqaqurvbtjedsr-service-degradation-notice
has no updates for 3 days *and* the statement "Updates will be shared as 
progress is made". So we have to conclude that there's no progress?

Regards,
Frank


On 4/6/2026 1:27 PM, Mukom wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for raising this again.
> You're right to push on it, and you're right that this is overdue.
> 
> Here's where things stand and what we're doing about it.
> 
> MyAFRINIC v1 is the critical constraint because we've reached its 
> architectural limits. Trying to extend it further makes it more fragile 
> and puts registry operations at risk. That's why we decided to replace 
> it entirely with MyAFRINIC 2.0.
> 
> 100% of our development capacity is focused on delivering MyAFRINIC 2.0 
> as the foundation that can support the capabilities members need ? 
> including delegated RPKI, ASPA, and everything else the community is 
> asking for. We're subordinating everything else to that goal.
> 
> We do however have working code for RPKI delegated mode that we will be 
> opening up for member testing. This lets us validate requirements and 
> refine the implementation now, so that when MyAFRINIC 2.0 launches, 
> delegated mode ? and subsequently ASPA and other features based on 
> member needs ? can follow in structured, near-term releases (v2.1, v2.2) 
> rather than starting from scratch.
> 
> 
> My colleague Yogesh will share the testing timeline and participation 
> details with the community within the next 2 weeks.
> 
> To your procedural question: this does not need a Working Group 
> discussion. Delegated RPKI and ASPA support are operational capabilities 
> that fall squarely within AFRINIC's mandate. Where the Working Group 
> will be valuable is in helping us prioritize features for the post- 
> launch roadmap.
> 
> To your offer to mobilize members: we welcome it. What would be most 
> valuable right now is member input into the MyAFRINIC 2.0 development 
> process itself, so that we build the right foundation from the start.
> 
> We thus appreciate the tireless work you've been doing on that forum, 
> and it is even more critical now.
> 
> I recognize this timeline may not match the urgency you and other 
> members feel. I share that frustration. What I can commit to is 
> transparency on progress and including resource members in the design 
> process so that MyAFRINIC 2.0 launches without limitations that might 
> hamper future developments.
> 
> 
> Thank you for your continued engagement.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Mukom Akong T.??| ?@perfexcellent
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ?When you work, you are the FLUTE through whose lungs the whispering of 
> the hours turns to MUSIC" - Kahlil Gibran
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On 2 Apr 2026 at 22:18 +0400, Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>, wrote:
>> Dear AfriNIC staff and members,
>>
>> It has come to my attention that some people feel that we need more
>> public outrage that AfriNIC still doesn't support delegated mode RPKI.
>>
>> That's mostly because some members wish to create ASPA records and with
>> the AfriNIC-hosted solution this is still not possible - in my
>> understanding, to be corrected.
>>
>> Maybe they are right.
>>
>> I tried to find public statements with timelines.
>> at [1] on slide 23, I found "July 2011".
>>
>> I probably didn't search well enough for more...
>>
>> the address rpki-help at afrinic.net has received a detailed request from a
>> member on January 5th.
>>
>> I can represent 4 members asking you to provide a solution to members
>> for the creation of ASPA objects. Best by enabling both methods, of 
>> course.
>>
>> I consider volunteering to get you a list of many more members who do
>> have the need for that and want to officially support AfriNIC moving
>> more quickly to accomplish this.
>>
>> How many do we need?
>>
>> I would hope that it is well known that this is a request for the
>> betterment and positive development of routing security.
>>
>> Which I believe to be withing the mandate of AfriNIC.
>>
>> I have seen messages that this could be a request to be "discussed"
>> within an AfriNIC Working Group. Does anybody at AfriNIC think that any
>> discussion is needed? Or would you just like to provide be above
>> requested number?
>>
>> Personally, I believe this is more a topic for a staff meeting at
>> AfriNIC than for a Working Group... Mostly because it's 2026.
>>
>> In the meantime, can others please help me with the public outrage?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Frank Habicht
>> ORG-SL71-AFRINIC
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-13/images/stories/ 
>> af13_presentation/AF-13-24/10-RPKI-AFRINIC-13-simplified.pdf
>>



From geier at geier.ne.tz  Thu Apr 23 10:04:36 2026
From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 13:04:36 +0300
Subject: [RPKI-Discuss] the case for ASPA objects
In-Reply-To: <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
References: <79e9f2ac-580b-471f-b14a-621800504d25@geier.ne.tz>
 <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
Message-ID: <a88a9bec-a2a7-430c-8de8-c890f72e41e3@geier.ne.tz>

Hi Mukom, Yogesh,

On 4/6/2026 1:27 PM, Mukom wrote:
> My colleague Yogesh will share the testing timeline and participation 
> details with the community within the next 2 weeks.
>
> To your procedural question: this does not need a Working Group 
> discussion. Delegated RPKI and ASPA support are operational 
> capabilities that fall squarely within AFRINIC's mandate. Where the 
> Working Group will be valuable is in helping us prioritize features 
> for the post-launch roadmap.


Hi Henrik,

are you on the rpki-discuss at afrinic.net mailing list?

https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpki-discuss


Frank




From hvisage at hevis.co.za  Thu Apr 23 11:26:21 2026
From: hvisage at hevis.co.za (Hendrik Visage)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 11:26:21 +0000
Subject: [RPKI-Discuss] the case for ASPA objects
In-Reply-To: <a88a9bec-a2a7-430c-8de8-c890f72e41e3@geier.ne.tz>
References: <79e9f2ac-580b-471f-b14a-621800504d25@geier.ne.tz>
 <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
 <a88a9bec-a2a7-430c-8de8-c890f72e41e3@geier.ne.tz>
Message-ID: <em18894260-c608-43c0-bd22-9a5d9285902d@hevis.co.za>


Thank you Frank, now I am ?
Would love to be able to test/trial delegated RPKI :)


------ Original Message ------
From "Frank Habicht" <geier at geier.ne.tz>
To "Mukom" <tamon at afrinic.net>; "Hendrik Visage" <hvisage at hevis.co.za>;
"Yogesh Chadee" <yogesh at afrinic.net>
Cc "rpki-discuss at afrinic.net" <rpki-discuss at afrinic.net>;
"rpki-help at afrinic.net" <rpki-help at afrinic.net>; "imc at afrinic.net"
<imc at afrinic.net>; "AfriNIC Board" <board at afrinic.net>
Date 2026/04/23 12:04:36
Subject Re: the case for ASPA objects

>Hi Mukom, Yogesh,
>
>On 4/6/2026 1:27 PM, Mukom wrote:
>>My colleague Yogesh will share the testing timeline and participation details with the community within the next 2 weeks.
>>
>>To your procedural question: this does not need a Working Group discussion. Delegated RPKI and ASPA support are operational capabilities that fall squarely within AFRINIC's mandate. Where the Working Group will be valuable is in helping us prioritize features for the post-launch roadmap.
>
>
>Hi Henrik,
>
>are you on the rpki-discuss at afrinic.net mailing list?
>
>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpki-discuss
>
>
>Frank
>
>
---

Hendrik Visage

hvisage at hevis.co.za


HeViS.Co Systems Pty Ltd

https://www.envisage.co.za





From mark at posix.co.za  Thu Apr 23 15:02:21 2026
From: mark at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:02:21 +0200
Subject: [RPKI-Discuss] the case for ASPA objects
In-Reply-To: <em18894260-c608-43c0-bd22-9a5d9285902d@hevis.co.za>
References: <79e9f2ac-580b-471f-b14a-621800504d25@geier.ne.tz>
 <22f3bb87-af6c-4c8f-8698-89f652a69b16@Spark>
 <a88a9bec-a2a7-430c-8de8-c890f72e41e3@geier.ne.tz>
 <em18894260-c608-43c0-bd22-9a5d9285902d@hevis.co.za>
Message-ID: <f110d770-fedb-4064-abe9-33989909c205@posix.co.za>

I'd like to be able to do the same!!! (test/trial delegated RPKI)

ps - That was a GREAT ZANOG/i-Week Meeting we just finished.


On 2026/04/23 13:26, Hendrik Visage wrote:
> Thank you Frank, now I am ?
> Would love to be able to test/trial delegated RPKI :)
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>  From "Frank Habicht"<geier at geier.ne.tz>
> To "Mukom"<tamon at afrinic.net>; "Hendrik Visage"<hvisage at hevis.co.za>;
> "Yogesh Chadee"<yogesh at afrinic.net>
> Cc"rpki-discuss at afrinic.net" <rpki-discuss at afrinic.net>;
> "rpki-help at afrinic.net" <rpki-help at afrinic.net>;"imc at afrinic.net"
> <imc at afrinic.net>; "AfriNIC Board"<board at afrinic.net>
> Date 2026/04/23 12:04:36
> Subject Re: the case for ASPA objects
>
>> Hi Mukom, Yogesh,
>>
>> On 4/6/2026 1:27 PM, Mukom wrote:
>>> My colleague Yogesh will share the testing timeline and participation details with the community within the next 2 weeks.
>>>
>>> To your procedural question: this does not need a Working Group discussion. Delegated RPKI and ASPA support are operational capabilities that fall squarely within AFRINIC's mandate. Where the Working Group will be valuable is in helping us prioritize features for the post-launch roadmap.
>>
>> Hi Henrik,
>>
>> are you on therpki-discuss at afrinic.net mailing list?
>>
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpki-discuss
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
> ---
>
> Hendrik Visage
>
> hvisage at hevis.co.za
>
>
> HeViS.Co Systems Pty Ltd
>
> https://www.envisage.co.za
>
>
>
>
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