<div dir="auto"><div><div dir="auto">Dear colleagues,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree that repetitive posts and list flooding should be moderated. However, I don't think the use of AI should, on its own, determine how a contribution is viewed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AI is simply a tool. The participant is still responsible for reviewing, understanding, and standing behind what they submit. In the end, what matters is whether the argument is clear, relevant, and technically sound.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If moderation is needed, it should be based on conduct and the quality of participation, not on the tools someone used to draft their message.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,</div><div dir="auto">Fundiswa Nadia Maseko</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 23 Jul 2026, 16:44 , <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed<br>
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2. Fw: PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed behavior<br>
on AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02 (NP Petronella)<br>
3. Re: PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed<br>
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4. Re: PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:38:45 -0400<br>
From: "Mike Burns" <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>><br>
To: "'Frank Habicht'" <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>>, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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HI Frank,<br>
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Thanks for playing Devil's Advocate, I think that is a worthwhile effort.<br>
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I agree that swamping the list should be subject to moderation, and it<br>
already is.<br>
But the more important question to me, is if Claude comes up with a winning<br>
argument, should we ignore or discount it?<br>
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I think the verbosity and repetition of these posts will work against them<br>
in the long run as effective use of AI tools.<br>
But if they can shorten and clarify their arguments, and resist the urge to<br>
repeat them slightly differently, I would listen to them.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Mike<br>
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From: Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> <br>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2026 12:37 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed<br>
behavioron AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02<br>
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Hi,<br>
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On 7/22/2026 8:53 PM, Mike Burns via RPD wrote:<br>
[snip]<br>
> I say, who cares if Claude is posting, or ChatGPT, or any other AI.<br>
> <br>
> Give them a seat at the table and address their arguments.<br>
> <br>
> Giving them a veneer of humanness through identity appropriation is <br>
> not the way forward.<br>
> <br>
> Again, I am interested in hearing other perspectives.<br>
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I'd like to hear what should happen if then two Claudes are arguing at<br>
5000 email per hour and eventually one Claude wins the argument, and AfriNIC<br>
will have to implement a policy that e.g. bans you from posting here?<br>
<br>
Frank<br>
Devil's advocate<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:30:13 +0000<br>
From: NP Petronella <<a href="mailto:NPertuniaPetronella@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NPertuniaPetronella@outlook.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [rpd] Fw: PDWG Co-Chairs communication regarding observed<br>
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From: NP Petronella<br>
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Hi Mike,<br>
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I think that is a fair approach. A strong argument should not be discounted because a tool helped express it, just as a weak argument should not gain weight merely because someone typed it unaided.<br>
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The 2020 experience offers a useful distinction. Where voting was involved, eligibility controls were considered because votes are counted. Policy discussion is different: rough consensus should assess distinct arguments, not subscription dates or the number of similar messages.<br>
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Repeated points can be consolidated, and actual list-swamping can already be moderated. At the same time, newer participants and AI-assisted contributions should still be judged on clarity, relevance, and evidence.<br>
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That seems the balanced position: moderate conduct, not tools; reduce repetition, not participation; and keep the focus on the argument rather than the author.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Nonhlanhla<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2026 17:03:02 +0300<br>
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2026, 8:53?pm Mike Burns, <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> It?s not like Claude will be elected to any parliament.<br>
><br>
> But this unique governance form for a global asset provides the<br>
> opportunity.<br>
><br>
> I say, who cares if Claude is posting, or ChatGPT, or any other AI.<br>
><br>
I care that the AFRINIC rpd list is not turned into waste land of AI<br>
powered trolls<br>
<br>
Give them a seat at the table and address their arguments.<br>
><br>
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How many valid argument have been made in the past week or you mean a<br>
single argument repeated through AI generated texts send by single persons<br>
using multiple different email address or same group saying the same thing<br>
over and over feeding the troll....<br>
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I have not experienced this behaviour on the ARIN or RIPE lists or even<br>
APNIC for which we are both participants..<br>
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Why are you advocating for it in the AFRNIC service region....?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
*.**/noah*<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2026 16:43:25 +0200<br>
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Hi Mike B<br>
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 2:39?PM Mike Burns via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
> I agree that swamping the list should be subject to moderation, and it<br>
> already is.<br>
><br>
<br>
Indeed - but I think clearer parameters for moderation will be helpful to<br>
avoid accusations of partiality.<br>
<br>
<br>
> But the more important question to me, is if Claude comes up with a winning<br>
> argument, should we ignore or discount it?<br>
><br>
<br>
Definitely not. I have no issue with AI generated or supplemented / edited<br>
positions.<br>
<br>
><br>
> I think the verbosity and repetition of these posts will work against them<br>
> in the long run as effective use of AI tools.<br>
> But if they can shorten and clarify their arguments, and resist the urge to<br>
> repeat them slightly differently, I would listen to them.<br>
><br>
<br>
I agree that the current verbose and repetitive positing is not endearing<br>
these posters to the community or showing any compelling arguments. The<br>
simplistic view is that this is an unsophisticated campaign using various<br>
sockpuppet accounts to try to create the perception of large scale dissent.<br>
<br>
But what if it is actually a sophisticated campaign to drown out other<br>
participation, cause list members to unsubscribe or withdraw in frustration<br>
that can then lead to the "capture" of the process by hollowing out<br>
positive contributions?<br>
<br>
Mike S<br>
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