<div dir="auto"><div>Thank you for the heads-up...I might have been coopted in a group or faction unaware...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please note this will be rectified so that I participate more objectively. I am not on the discussion platform hence I do not see how the discussion go... I am not on the mailing list or discussion platform. Kindly allow me on the platform for me to participate objectively....</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards, </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Dr. Nyasha Ndemo-Masimbarasi <br>(DPhil, MSc., BSc. Hon. Development Science and Policy)<br>Chairperson - Department of Development Programming and Management <br>Zimbabwe Ezekiel Guti University <br>1901 Barrassie Rd, Off Shamva Rd, Bindura<br>Zimbabwe<br>Landline: +263867 700 6136<br>Cell: +263 773226552<br>Email: <a href="mailto:nyashandemo@gmail.com">nyashandemo@gmail.com</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 20, 2026, 5:06 PM Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:omo.oaiya@wacren.net">omo.oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="line-break:after-white-space"><p>Hi Ben,</p><p>Some of the recent exchanges do suggest that some contributions may have been coordinated or based on common templates - and thanks adding “astroturfing" to my vocabulary :-) Another problem along similar lines is organised bloc participation, but these issues are not new, in the AFRINIC community or elsewhere. </p><p>We should be careful not to let the discussion become about the participants rather than the policy. New voices should always be welcome, and the co-chairs can determine rough consensus by identifying and evaluating the distinct technical and policy issues raised, rather than the number of emails expressing them. </p><p>Technically sound objections should be addressed on their merits regardless of who raises them - experienced operator or not -, and repeated assertions without additional evidence should not carry additional weight. In fact, co-chairs could ask participants to be more evidence-oriented, raising the quality bar without worrying too much about who the author is.</p><p>I think this could preserve the openness of the PDP while making coordinated messaging largely ineffective.</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Omo</p><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 20 Jul 2026, at 10:45, ben.roberts--- via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Dr Nyasha,</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">It appears you are in fact using a template? And forgot to delete the [name] placeholder ?</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Did you write the email yourself?</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Kind Regards,</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Ben</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Nyasha Ndemo wrote. >>></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Regards,</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">[Name]</span></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Dr. Nyasha Ndemo-Masimbarasi<br>(DPhil, MSc., BSc. Hon. Development Science and Policy)<br>Chairperson - Department of Development Programming and Management</div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor"><div style="text-align:left;font-family:Aptos;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>Nyasha Ndemo <<a href="mailto:nndemo@staff.zegu.ac.zw" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nndemo@staff.zegu.ac.zw</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, 20 July 2026 at 09:42<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal - Hierarchical Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br><br></div></div><div id="m_-3664370067895500402ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div class="MsoNormal" style="direction:ltr">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/GetOutlookForMac" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Outlook for Mac</a></div></div><div id="m_-3664370067895500402mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div style="direction:ltr">Dear PDWG,</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">The discussion is being diverted from the substance of the objections toward speculation about AI use, writing style, and how consensus should be counted.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">That does not answer the policy concerns raised.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">A problem statement does not prove that the proposed remedy is necessary, proportionate, or technically sufficient. Nor does the use of drafting assistance invalidate an argument. The relevant question is whether the objection is sound.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">The objections remain clear: the proposal improves naming attribution, but it does not validate AS-SET contents, eliminate incorrect customer-cone data, or demonstrate that mandatory registry enforcement is the minimum necessary response.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">If several participants raise the same concern, the proper response is to answer that concern on its merits. Similarity does not make it disappear, and unfamiliar participants do not count for less.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">Participation is evidence, not mandate. Consensus is not manufactured by dismissing dissenters or analysing their prose.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">I therefore remain opposed and ask that the discussion return to the unresolved technical and proportionality questions.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">Regards,</div><div style="direction:ltr">[Name]</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">Dr. Nyasha Ndemo-Masimbarasi<br>(DPhil, MSc., BSc. Hon. 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1. Subject: Re: [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical<br>
Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02) (Thulisile Mazomba)<br>
2. Re: [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical Names<br>
for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02) (Tshepo Masuku)<br>
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From: Thulisile Mazomba <<a href="mailto:219280444@mycput.ac.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">219280444@mycput.ac.za</a>><br>
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Hi Frank,<br>
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An improvement is not automatically a justification for mandatory policy.<br>
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The question is whether the benefit is significant enough, proven enough, and proportionate enough to place in the registry?s compulsory layer. Saying ?it helps? does not answer that.<br>
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And no, raising those questions does not mean the objection came first. It means policy power should be tested before it is expanded.<br>
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I remain opposed.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Thulisile<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br>
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Hi,<br>
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On 7/19/2026 11:29 PM, Thulisile Mazomba wrote:<br>
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> Hi Frank,<br>
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> You appear to be treating your disagreement with an objection as proof<br>
> that no technical objection exists.<br>
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> The proposal prevents one naming collision. It does not establish the<br>
> correctness of the routing data attached to that name,<br>
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The proposal does not fix *all* problems. and it doesn't claim to do so.<br>
It creates an improvement.<br>
I don't agree that it is ok to object just because this proposal does<br>
not fix *all* problems.<br>
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Do you agree it provides improvements?<br>
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> nor prove that<br>
> mandatory registry control is the only proportionate remedy.<br>
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it's not intended to prove that.<br>
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> Those are technical and policy questions. Declaring them invalid does<br>
> not resolve them.<br>
They are not good reasons against the proposal.<br>
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But some people maybe want to be against the proposal first and then are<br>
looking for "questions".<br>
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Frank<br>
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Hi Frank,<br>
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You keep positioning yourself as the referee of which objections count.<br>
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That is not your role. Participants are allowed to question whether a useful change belongs in mandatory policy. Dismissing those concerns instead of answering them turns discussion into gatekeeping.<br>
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A policy room may debate. It does not grant any participant authority to police dissent.<br>
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I remain opposed.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Tshepo<br>
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