<div dir="auto"><div><div dir="auto">Dear Omo and Ben,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This discussion is becoming an authorship tribunal instead of a policy process.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A mailing list may assess whether a contribution is relevant, evidenced, repetitive, or abusive. It has no mandate to police a participant’s private drafting tools or demand that unfamiliar contributors prove how every sentence was produced. A real person who submits a position, stands behind it, and accepts responsibility for it remains the participant.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Templates, translation tools, editors, and AI assistance do not transfer authorship or judgment to the tool. The tool does not vote, object, or bear responsibility. The person does.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If several messages raise the same objection, the co-chairs can group them as one issue and evaluate it once. That is sensible process management. What they should not do is erase the objection, interrogate the writers, or treat familiar names as more legitimate than unfamiliar ones.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is precisely where participation can be laundered into mandate: established participants begin by asking who wrote the message, then who the person represents, then whether the person is sufficiently experienced, and finally whether the contribution should count at all. An open process quietly becomes a permission system controlled by the people already closest to the microphone.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A community may discuss. It may evaluate evidence. It may reject a weak argument. It may not turn familiarity into authority or curiosity about drafting into control over participation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The policy question remains the policy question. If the objection is wrong, answer it. If it is repeated, answer it once. But stop using speculation about tools and templates as a substitute for dealing with the substance.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">Nonhlanhla</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 20 Jul 2026, 5:26 pm <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Request to Pause the AI Generated Posting (Thandeka Mseleku)<br>
2. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 222, Issue 92: Request to Pause the AI<br>
Generated Posting (Omo Oaiya)<br>
3. Re: [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal - Hierarchical Names<br>
for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02) (Thandeka Mseleku)<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:22:43 +0200<br>
From: Thandeka Mseleku <<a href="mailto:mselekuthandeka80@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mselekuthandeka80@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Request to Pause the AI Generated Posting<br>
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Dear Noah,<br>
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While I appreciate that this is your personal opinion, I do not believe<br>
assumptions about coordinated or AI-generated posts should be used as a<br>
basis for asking community members to pause their participation.<br>
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The strength of the Policy Development Process lies in evaluating<br>
contributions on their technical and policy merits, regardless of whether<br>
participants reach similar conclusions. Agreement among contributors should<br>
not, by itself, be interpreted as evidence of coordination.<br>
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I therefore believe the discussion should remain focused on the policy<br>
proposals themselves rather than on assumptions about the participants.<br>
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BR,<br>
Thandeka Mseleku<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 18:24:16 +0300<br>
From: Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:omo.oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">omo.oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
To: Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 222, Issue 92: Request to Pause<br>
the AI Generated Posting<br>
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Hi Mike,<br>
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Fully agree, especially the distinction between swamping the list and treating AI-assisted arguments on their merits. On holiday and squandering quality time catching up with AFRINIC emails, and just said much the same to Ben on the AS-SET thread. <br>
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Let's get on with the substance.<br>
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Omo<br>
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> On 20 Jul 2026, at 16:55, Mike Burns via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I am very happy that this list has some traffic, and separate from the AS-SET issue, the issue of AI generated posts is enormously interesting not only to this RIR policy list, but to all of them.<br>
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> My position is that there are two issues contained. One is the swamping of the list with AI generated posts. The other is the concept of treating AI posts like any other post.<br>
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> While I am against the use of AI to swamp the list with long messages in a Denial of Service sort of attack, I believe the principle of avoiding ad hominem arguments means that we have to treat the AI generated arguments the same as if they came directly from the pen of the poster. That is to say, ignore everything but the arguments being made, not the use of AI. It is the arguments that matter, not the speaker. <br>
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> I expect this to bubble up in other RIR policy lists as time goes on, it would be good to have some kind of principled response. <br>
> Many use translators to write posts in foreign languages, so certainly some tool use is expected.<br>
> <br>
> There are ways to block participants who transgress in other ways and those who post repeated AI slop to swamp the list should be so treated.<br>
> But unless there is an attempt by an individual to swamp the list, the posts should be treated as if written by the poster, that is like every other post.<br>
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> I am interested to hear other perspectives on this. <br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Mike<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: Taye Medoye <<a href="mailto:daniel.medoye@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">daniel.medoye@gmail.com</a>> <br>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2026 8:38 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 222, Issue 92: Request to Pause the AI Generated Posting<br>
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> In regard to the ensuing antagonistic reponses relating to the call for the pause of AI generated mails, l align with the position expressed by Noah for obvious reasons: <br>
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> Firstly, the well referenced Policy Development Process (PDP) on open and unecumbered participation and expressions remains sancrosant, and a guiding principle. I think this priciple should be observed always;<br>
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> Secondly, l am not aware that the Forum gives the freedom to engage in any form of criticism on the contributions made by participants. <br>
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> Above all, l subscribe to the view that, while AI may be good in assisting with information as may be sought concerning any subject matter, l do not think it has the capacity to meet the prinicple of originality expected in any written literary work, whether in research or for informative diseemination purposes.<br>
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> The bottom line remains that, in line with the framework for particiapting in any discussion on this Forum, mutual respect for views should be upheld.<br>
> <br>
> Daniel Taye Medoye<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:25:17 +0200<br>
From: Thandeka Mseleku <<a href="mailto:mselekuthandeka80@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mselekuthandeka80@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal - Hierarchical<br>
Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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I agree with the view expressed by Asamkele and others that this proposal<br>
has not demonstrated why registry enforcement is the appropriate solution.<br>
The discussion continues to assume that introducing mandatory hierarchical<br>
naming is the only effective way to address operational concerns, yet it<br>
has not shown why less restrictive approaches would be insufficient.<br>
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I also believe the discussion should remain focused on the technical and<br>
policy merits of the proposal rather than assumptions about how<br>
participants prepare or present their contributions. Whether a contribution<br>
is concise, detailed, or drafted with writing tools does not change the<br>
validity of the arguments it contains. Each submission should be evaluated<br>
on its substance.<br>
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For these reasons, I remain opposed to AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02.<br>
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BR,<br>
Thandeka Mseleku<br>
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