<div dir="auto">Hi Saul,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, the message was sent twice. That is a posting mistake, not a policy argument.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Focusing on duplicate delivery while ignoring the substance is exactly how process starts replacing discussion. Please address the objection itself rather than using a technical error as a reason to dismiss participation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">Gugu</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 19 Jul 2026, 9:29 pm Fundiswa Nadia Maseko <<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Thank you for pointing that out.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The two emails were intended for different purposes. The first was a direct response to Hendrik's points, while the second was addressed to the broader discussion, including your comments and the wider issue that had developed on the mailing list.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I understand they were sent close together, which may have made them appear to be duplicates, but they were intended as separate responses.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fundiswa Nadia Maseko</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 19 Jul 2026, 21:20 Saul Stein, <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">you have now posted the email twice 7 minutes apart…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 19 July 2026 20:46<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal – Hierarchical Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Hendrik, Saul, and colleagues,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your responses.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would also like to address the recurring comments about AI-generated contributions.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Whether someone uses AI to improve grammar, structure, or clarity does not, in itself, determine whether their arguments are valid. AI only works with the information and instructions provided by the person using it. Many people use it
as a writing assistant to communicate their ideas more clearly, just as others may ask a colleague to proofread or edit a draft before sending it.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For that reason, I do not believe the discussion should focus on how a message was written, but rather on whether the technical reasoning is correct or incorrect.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With regard to the proposal itself, I appreciate Hendrik's direct answers. However, simply answering "yes" or "no" does not, by itself, explain the technical reasoning behind those conclusions. It would be helpful to understand why the
proposal is considered the least restrictive solution and how the identified operational benefits outweigh the additional policy requirements. That explanation would assist everyone in evaluating the proposal on its technical merits.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the PDWG is strongest when differing views are examined through technical discussion supported by evidence, rather than assumptions about who wrote a message or what tools they may have used.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<u></u><u></u></p>
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1. Re: [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical Names<br>
for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02) (Hendrik Visage)<br>
2. Re: [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical Names<br>
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2026 20:25:00 +0200<br>
From: Hendrik Visage <<a href="mailto:hvisage@hevis.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">hvisage@hevis.co.za</a>><br>
To: Fundiswa Nadia Maseko <<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical<br>
Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br>
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Dear Fundiswa,<br>
<br>
?Has the proposal demonstrated mandatory naming is the least <br>
restrictive solution?" ? Yes,<br>
<br>
"Do you disagree that hierarchical naming authenticates object creation <br>
rather than membership accuracy?" ? No.<br>
<br>
These are the specific answers requested.<br>
If you still oppose this proposal, we ask that you engage these answers <br>
first ? in particular the deployment-coordination asymmetry raised ? <br>
instead of repeating the original objections without technical <br>
substances<br>
<br>
---<br>
Hendrik Visage<br>
Director/Owner<br>
<a href="http://HeViS.Co" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">HeViS.Co</a> Systems t/a Envisage Cloud Solutions<br>
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On 19 Jul 2026, at 19:54, Fundiswa Nadia Maseko wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Ben,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for your response.<br>
><br>
> Respectfully, I believe it is more productive to address the arguments<br>
> themselves than to make assumptions about the people presenting them <br>
> or the<br>
> tools they may have used.<br>
><br>
> If you believe the objections are technically incorrect, I would <br>
> appreciate<br>
> it if you could identify which specific points you disagree with. For<br>
> example, do you disagree that hierarchical naming authenticates object<br>
> creation rather than the accuracy of object membership? Or do you <br>
> believe<br>
> the proposal has demonstrated that mandatory naming is the least<br>
> restrictive solution available?<br>
><br>
> Those are technical questions that can be examined and debated. <br>
> Dismissing<br>
> opposing views as "AI bots" does not, on its own, explain why the <br>
> arguments<br>
> are wrong.<br>
> I believe the PDWG benefits most when participants engage with the<br>
> substance of each other's reasoning, regardless of how a contribution <br>
> was<br>
> drafted.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<br>
><br>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2026, 19:13 Ben Roberts - AfriNIC, <br>
> <<a href="mailto:ben.roberts@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ben.roberts@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Fundiswa,<br>
>> But the AI bots opposing the AS-SET policy aren?t making technical<br>
>> arguments. They are just regurgitating and re-using the same script. <br>
>> None<br>
>> of them seem to know or care what an AS-SET is, or what network <br>
>> owners use<br>
>> them for.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Ben<br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>><br>
>> On 19 Jul 2026, at 17:56, Fundiswa Nadia Maseko <br>
>> <<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ?<br>
>><br>
>> *Dear PDWG,*<br>
>><br>
>> I have been following this discussion with interest, and I would like <br>
>> to<br>
>> express my concern about the direction it has taken.<br>
>><br>
>> The Policy Development Process should evaluate technical arguments on<br>
>> their merits. Whether a participant drafted a message unaided, <br>
>> received<br>
>> editorial assistance, or used modern writing tools does not determine<br>
>> whether the reasoning is sound. Speculating about authorship instead <br>
>> of<br>
>> addressing the substance risks distracting the Working Group from the<br>
>> policy questions before it.<br>
>><br>
>> I am also concerned by suggestions that contributions should be<br>
>> disregarded simply because of assumptions about how they were <br>
>> written. If<br>
>> there are factual or technical errors, they should be identified and<br>
>> discussed. That is how consensus is strengthened.<br>
>><br>
>> The questions raised by several participants remain legitimate <br>
>> subjects<br>
>> for technical debate: whether the proposal has demonstrated <br>
>> operational<br>
>> necessity, whether the proposed intervention is proportionate, and <br>
>> whether<br>
>> less restrictive alternatives have been adequately considered.<br>
>><br>
>> I therefore encourage all participants to continue engaging with the<br>
>> substance of the proposal while maintaining the respectful and <br>
>> professional<br>
>> standards expected within the PDWG.<br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2026 18:34:04 +0000<br>
From: Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>><br>
To: Hendrik Visage <<a href="mailto:hvisage@hevis.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">hvisage@hevis.co.za</a>>, Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical<br>
Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br>
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Dear all,<br>
Well, I have just finished my popcorn? sadly there wasn?t enough to read the bombardment of emails, so I didn?t.<br>
<br>
What I did see though, was a number of non-original / cvopy and paste objections. Not only that, but more importantly, they do not raise any valid concerns about the proposal that has reached final call.<br>
<br>
So with that in mind, I fully support this proposal.<br>
<br>
I?d have to be part of a community group where you have to have a valid NIC to post?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Saul<br>
<br>
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From: Hendrik Visage via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2026 20:25<br>
To: Fundiswa Nadia Maseko <<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Last Call] Draft Policy Proposal ? Hierarchical Names for New AS-SETs (AFPUB-2026-ASN-001-DRAFT02)<br>
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<br>
Dear Fundiswa,<br>
<br>
?Has the proposal demonstrated mandatory naming is the least restrictive solution?" ? Yes,<br>
<br>
"Do you disagree that hierarchical naming authenticates object creation rather than membership accuracy?" ? No.<br>
<br>
These are the specific answers requested.<br>
If you still oppose this proposal, we ask that you engage these answers first ? in particular the deployment-coordination asymmetry raised ? instead of repeating the original objections without technical substances<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
Hendrik Visage<br>
Director/Owner<br>
<a href="http://HeViS.Co" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">HeViS.Co</a><<a href="http://HeViS.Co" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://HeViS.Co</a>> Systems t/a Envisage Cloud
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On 19 Jul 2026, at 19:54, Fundiswa Nadia Maseko wrote:<br>
Dear Ben,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your response.<br>
<br>
Respectfully, I believe it is more productive to address the arguments themselves than to make assumptions about the people presenting them or the tools they may have used.<br>
<br>
If you believe the objections are technically incorrect, I would appreciate it if you could identify which specific points you disagree with. For example, do you disagree that hierarchical naming authenticates object creation rather than the accuracy of object
membership? Or do you believe the proposal has demonstrated that mandatory naming is the least restrictive solution available?<br>
<br>
Those are technical questions that can be examined and debated. Dismissing opposing views as "AI bots" does not, on its own, explain why the arguments are wrong.<br>
I believe the PDWG benefits most when participants engage with the substance of each other's reasoning, regardless of how a contribution was drafted.<br>
<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<br>
<br>
On Sun, 19 Jul 2026, 19:13 Ben Roberts - AfriNIC, <<a href="mailto:ben.roberts@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ben.roberts@afrinic.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.roberts@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ben.roberts@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
Fundiswa,<br>
But the AI bots opposing the AS-SET policy aren?t making technical arguments. They are just regurgitating and re-using the same script. None of them seem to know or care what an AS-SET is, or what network owners use them for.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ben<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
<br>
On 19 Jul 2026, at 17:56, Fundiswa Nadia Maseko <<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:fundiswanadia2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fundiswanadia2@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
?<br>
<br>
Dear PDWG,<br>
<br>
I have been following this discussion with interest, and I would like to express my concern about the direction it has taken.<br>
<br>
The Policy Development Process should evaluate technical arguments on their merits. Whether a participant drafted a message unaided, received editorial assistance, or used modern writing tools does not determine whether the reasoning is sound. Speculating about
authorship instead of addressing the substance risks distracting the Working Group from the policy questions before it.<br>
<br>
I am also concerned by suggestions that contributions should be disregarded simply because of assumptions about how they were written. If there are factual or technical errors, they should be identified and discussed. That is how consensus is strengthened.<br>
<br>
The questions raised by several participants remain legitimate subjects for technical debate: whether the proposal has demonstrated operational necessity, whether the proposed intervention is proportionate, and whether less restrictive alternatives have been
adequately considered.<br>
<br>
I therefore encourage all participants to continue engaging with the substance of the proposal while maintaining the respectful and professional standards expected within the PDWG.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Fundiswa Nadia Maseko<br>
<br>
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